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Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

66 points by cardz 5y ago

torstenvl 5y ago
Release notes: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/impish-indri-release-notes/21951 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/impish-indri-release-notes/21...
- apple4ever 5y ago
  Thank you that is what I really wanted to read.
Avalaxy 5y ago
Excited for the new changes that kernel 5.12 and 5.13 bring. Especially NVidia+Wayland and the hotplugging of AMD GPUs. Let's hope NVidia will follow soon with this functionality (but I doubt it).
- ehutch79 5y ago
  is the hotplugging for external gpus, over thunderbolt or something?
  - bingohbangoh 5y ago
    piggy-backing -- is there a use case for hotplugging of GPUs?
    - yaks_hairbrush 5y ago
      I have a macbook air with an egpu connected by a thunderbolt 3 port. I unplug the gpu when I want to take the laptop somewhere, and plug in back in when I'm at my desk.
    - zeusk 5y ago
      Yes, Windows uses it for suspending discrete GPUs on laptops to save on power, for designs like surface book, for external GPUs and some more server scenarios.
jikbd 5y ago
Thank God it’s the end of that hippo wallpaper that looked like a pair of hairy bollocks.
u10242 5y ago
And Firefox is a snap package now; the .deb will go away next release. Canonical finally managed to make me switch back to Debian.
- evrflx 5y ago
  Is there an alternative source for non-snap Firefox? snapd is the first thing I nuke on fresh installs. I would like to stay with Ubuntu, if possible.
  - Barrin92 5y ago
    you can always just download it from the website, unpack it and make a .desktop file or put a symlink under ~/bin or whatever
  - monsieurgaufre 5y ago
    In the release notes (https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/impish-indri-release-notes/21951 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/impish-indri-release-notes/21...): The deb package remains available in the archive and will continue receiving updates for the lifetime of Ubuntu 21.10.
  - shaicoleman 5y ago
    You can also use the Flatpak version: https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.mozilla.firefox https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.mozilla.firefox
    - flyingchipmann 5y ago
      I had some weird performance issues. Tried it side by side and flakpak version ran significantly worse. Not sure why
    - CarelessExpert 5y ago
      Unfortunately the container breaks certain extensions (e.g. keepassxc-browser). And that's ignoring the fact that, at least on my machine, the flatpak fonts look terrible for some reason and I often run into issues with the Gnome theme not being properly inherited. I've been using the Debian packages supplied by Ubuntuzilla (despite their being hosted on gag Sourceforge): https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/
fastaguy88 5y ago
It makes me a bit nervous to go to the main page and be told that there are three types of images, and then only see two listed.
BiteCode_dev 5y ago
I've been fighting to keep Unity as long as I could, but it's now breaking too often so I accepted my gnome shell fate. It requires 10 plugins, one app, and manually crafted .desktop files to be usable, but ok, it's free software, I'll adapt. I understand the rational to also push for wayland first now, but it breaks my workflow for things like autokey. We do need to move from X11, but once again, something I will have to work with. And now Firefox is a snap, which is slow, has permissions problems all around (guaranteed the sandbox will break some addons), takes a lot of space, etc. Again, I get it, it's a perfect candidate to push the tech, and they need to solve user facing apps distribution problem with linux. I like Ubuntu a lot. I donate to it. I don't want to migrate to Manjaro or something else. Ubuntu is the sweet spot for things working out of the box. But with 21.010, I really feel like at least moving to Elementary or PopOS right now. Tried them, the first one can't install (EFI partition is too small), the second breaks on my machine. I don't like KDE, so I guess, next is Xubuntu? Something else?
- gavinray 5y ago
  Pop!_OS just published 21.10 beta yesterday so you're in good luck. https://www.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/q6xvv0/pop_os_2110_beta_is_now_available/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/q6xvv0/pop_os_2110_... Having nothing but great things to say about this distro. Favorite Linux distro I've used.
- nsonha 5y ago
  Isn't pop also gnome? You can install pop shell which is an extension. It adds tiling, which isn't for everyone. I'm like you don't like the fact that defaul gnome is so bad that I need a bunch of extensions. But I don't like KDE either, looks so inconsistent, too much pointless blurring and animation. However, I guess other choices are worse because they would have some other flaws that you can't even find extensions to work around.
  - BiteCode_dev 5y ago
    I tried to install the pop shell, but it worked out badly. Those distro are not made to just have the DE installed after the installation of Ubuntu. Something always breaks. You have to install from the official .iso
zmk5 5y ago
Updated a bit ago and it is a fantastic release so far. Yaru is very mature by now and the speed improvements for animations in Gnome 40 are very evident.
websap 5y ago
Canonical has been doing some great work with Ubuntu. Though now I wonder if the desktop Linux is dead. With WSL rapidly improving with each release, how many devs really want to deal with the configuration of a Linux system?
- xet7 5y ago
  Windows 10 has EOL End Of Life (EOL) on October 14, 2025. Windows 11 does run only on limited amount of hardware. Because of covid, availability of hardware is limited anyway. Old Mac and Windows computers do not run newest macOS and Windows anymore. So I have installed Linux Factory customers etc don't want to deal with Windows on factory floor anymore, so they are porting software to Gambas on Linux. Usage of desktop Linux is increasing all the time.
- beepbooptheory 5y ago
  I will sooner give up computers forever than be either locked into a linux VM on Windows, or locked into expensive hardware with the other one
  - websap 5y ago
    When was the last time you used WSL? Also, what's your dev tool chain?
    - pxc 5y ago
      Not the OP but fwiw I feel the same. Last I used WSL was probably 3 or 4 months ago, so very recently but before I had a chance to try graphical WSL. But tbh that hardly matters to me because I don't use many GUI applications. The problem for me is that to use WSL, I still have to use Windows, which is odious to me for reasons that WSL can't ameliorate. Additionally every time you get set up on Windows you still have to deal with its deficiencies in getting to your desired WSL setup, namely deficient package management and terminal emulation solutions. (Windows Terminal is pretty good, and it's what I always go with for now.) WSL will never help Windows with being slow or huge (20+ GB for an install, even without any applications? what the absolute fuck) or rude or unpredictable or opaque. As for my toolchain: for people like me who use distros a bit off the beaten path, the fact that WSL is more or less incompatible with a real init system gets in the way, too. Nix support has also been spotty, coming and going and being blocked and unblocked at various times since WSL1. Idk, dude. I actually like Linux on the desktop, Windows does a ton of things I don't like, and setting up a Windows machine seriously sucks. I don't think WSL is or wants to be for me.
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Flimm 5y ago
For those using ZFS, don't install or upgrade to Ubuntu 21.10. It contains a known issue that causes filesystem corruption if using ZFS. See the release notes and search for "ZFS": https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/impish-indri-release-notes/21951 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/impish-indri-release-notes/21...

66 points by cardz 5y ago

Release notes: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/impish-indri-release-notes/21951 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/impish-indri-release-notes/21...

apple4ever 5y ago
Thank you that is what I really wanted to read.

Avalaxy 5y ago

Excited for the new changes that kernel 5.12 and 5.13 bring. Especially NVidia+Wayland and the hotplugging of AMD GPUs. Let's hope NVidia will follow soon with this functionality (but I doubt it).

ehutch79 5y ago
is the hotplugging for external gpus, over thunderbolt or something?
- bingohbangoh 5y ago
  piggy-backing -- is there a use case for hotplugging of GPUs?
  - yaks_hairbrush 5y ago
    I have a macbook air with an egpu connected by a thunderbolt 3 port. I unplug the gpu when I want to take the laptop somewhere, and plug in back in when I'm at my desk.
  - zeusk 5y ago
    Yes, Windows uses it for suspending discrete GPUs on laptops to save on power, for designs like surface book, for external GPUs and some more server scenarios.

jikbd 5y ago

Thank God it’s the end of that hippo wallpaper that looked like a pair of hairy bollocks.

u10242 5y ago

And Firefox is a snap package now; the .deb will go away next release. Canonical finally managed to make me switch back to Debian.

evrflx 5y ago
Is there an alternative source for non-snap Firefox? snapd is the first thing I nuke on fresh installs. I would like to stay with Ubuntu, if possible.
- Barrin92 5y ago
  you can always just download it from the website, unpack it and make a .desktop file or put a symlink under ~/bin or whatever
- monsieurgaufre 5y ago
  In the release notes (https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/impish-indri-release-notes/21951 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/impish-indri-release-notes/21...): The deb package remains available in the archive and will continue receiving updates for the lifetime of Ubuntu 21.10.
- shaicoleman 5y ago
  You can also use the Flatpak version: https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.mozilla.firefox https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.mozilla.firefox
  - flyingchipmann 5y ago
    I had some weird performance issues. Tried it side by side and flakpak version ran significantly worse. Not sure why
  - CarelessExpert 5y ago
    Unfortunately the container breaks certain extensions (e.g. keepassxc-browser). And that's ignoring the fact that, at least on my machine, the flatpak fonts look terrible for some reason and I often run into issues with the Gnome theme not being properly inherited. I've been using the Debian packages supplied by Ubuntuzilla (despite their being hosted on gag Sourceforge): https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/

fastaguy88 5y ago

It makes me a bit nervous to go to the main page and be told that there are three types of images, and then only see two listed.

BiteCode_dev 5y ago

I've been fighting to keep Unity as long as I could, but it's now breaking too often so I accepted my gnome shell fate. It requires 10 plugins, one app, and manually crafted .desktop files to be usable, but ok, it's free software, I'll adapt. I understand the rational to also push for wayland first now, but it breaks my workflow for things like autokey. We do need to move from X11, but once again, something I will have to work with. And now Firefox is a snap, which is slow, has permissions problems all around (guaranteed the sandbox will break some addons), takes a lot of space, etc. Again, I get it, it's a perfect candidate to push the tech, and they need to solve user facing apps distribution problem with linux. I like Ubuntu a lot. I donate to it. I don't want to migrate to Manjaro or something else. Ubuntu is the sweet spot for things working out of the box. But with 21.010, I really feel like at least moving to Elementary or PopOS right now. Tried them, the first one can't install (EFI partition is too small), the second breaks on my machine. I don't like KDE, so I guess, next is Xubuntu? Something else?

gavinray 5y ago
Pop!_OS just published 21.10 beta yesterday so you're in good luck. https://www.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/q6xvv0/pop_os_2110_beta_is_now_available/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/q6xvv0/pop_os_2110_... Having nothing but great things to say about this distro. Favorite Linux distro I've used.
nsonha 5y ago
Isn't pop also gnome? You can install pop shell which is an extension. It adds tiling, which isn't for everyone. I'm like you don't like the fact that defaul gnome is so bad that I need a bunch of extensions. But I don't like KDE either, looks so inconsistent, too much pointless blurring and animation. However, I guess other choices are worse because they would have some other flaws that you can't even find extensions to work around.
- BiteCode_dev 5y ago
  I tried to install the pop shell, but it worked out badly. Those distro are not made to just have the DE installed after the installation of Ubuntu. Something always breaks. You have to install from the official .iso

zmk5 5y ago

Updated a bit ago and it is a fantastic release so far. Yaru is very mature by now and the speed improvements for animations in Gnome 40 are very evident.

websap 5y ago

Canonical has been doing some great work with Ubuntu. Though now I wonder if the desktop Linux is dead. With WSL rapidly improving with each release, how many devs really want to deal with the configuration of a Linux system?

xet7 5y ago
Windows 10 has EOL End Of Life (EOL) on October 14, 2025. Windows 11 does run only on limited amount of hardware. Because of covid, availability of hardware is limited anyway. Old Mac and Windows computers do not run newest macOS and Windows anymore. So I have installed Linux Factory customers etc don't want to deal with Windows on factory floor anymore, so they are porting software to Gambas on Linux. Usage of desktop Linux is increasing all the time.
beepbooptheory 5y ago
I will sooner give up computers forever than be either locked into a linux VM on Windows, or locked into expensive hardware with the other one
- websap 5y ago
  When was the last time you used WSL? Also, what's your dev tool chain?
  - pxc 5y ago
    Not the OP but fwiw I feel the same. Last I used WSL was probably 3 or 4 months ago, so very recently but before I had a chance to try graphical WSL. But tbh that hardly matters to me because I don't use many GUI applications. The problem for me is that to use WSL, I still have to use Windows, which is odious to me for reasons that WSL can't ameliorate. Additionally every time you get set up on Windows you still have to deal with its deficiencies in getting to your desired WSL setup, namely deficient package management and terminal emulation solutions. (Windows Terminal is pretty good, and it's what I always go with for now.) WSL will never help Windows with being slow or huge (20+ GB for an install, even without any applications? what the absolute fuck) or rude or unpredictable or opaque. As for my toolchain: for people like me who use distros a bit off the beaten path, the fact that WSL is more or less incompatible with a real init system gets in the way, too. Nix support has also been spotty, coming and going and being blocked and unblocked at various times since WSL1. Idk, dude. I actually like Linux on the desktop, Windows does a ton of things I don't like, and setting up a Windows machine seriously sucks. I don't think WSL is or wants to be for me.

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Flimm 5y ago

For those using ZFS, don't install or upgrade to Ubuntu 21.10. It contains a known issue that causes filesystem corruption if using ZFS. See the release notes and search for "ZFS": https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/impish-indri-release-notes/21951 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/impish-indri-release-notes/21...