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I don't see CRT being used, just common sense. One does not need a framework for everything.

sudosysgen 5y ago
CRT is just the common sense of realising that government treated certain perceived races differently and the rest is mostly just normal history. That being said, Ukrainian opression in the USSR is not something you can only approach with common sense. You need a rigorous approach to it and even then you can land on quite different conclusions.
- api 5y ago
  When I started seeing the right-wing freakout over CRT I went and read some stuff on it. Let me put it this way. Yes, there are things I disagree with in the CRT package, but there was nothing in there that justifies the amount of attention it's getting. Some parts were quite reasonable. The idea that it's not just the letter of the law that matters but how the law is applied by the actual people applying it is common sense. The idea that a bureaucracy or social system can have biases built into it that none of the participants are fully aware of (systemic racism) is also obvious to anyone who has ever dealt with bureaucracies. This latter point is the base from which the straw man “all whites are racist” is extracted. That’s not what they are really saying. They are pointing out that one can participate in a system that has built in biases without consciously holding those biases. Like most political freak outs (including some on the left) it's overblown bullshit to rally up the base. Remember that modern US elections tend to be won on which side has larger turnout, and getting the base riled up with anger is the way you maximize turnout. The usual tactic is to cherry pick the craziest possible quotes or craziest people from the other side and portray them as representative of the entire movement. Sure you can find people in the CRT community saying stupid crazy things, but that is true for any group of people if you search hard enough. The left does this too by e.g. painting all Christian conservatives as Dominionists when the latter is an extreme fringe position rejected by most.
- cvakf 5y ago
  This is the danger of these discussions. Yes, perhaps Ukrainians have been structurally oppressed, but that is irrelevant to the point here. The same would have happened to a white engineer from Moscow whose great grand parents had been killed by Stalin.

CRT is just the common sense of realising that government treated certain perceived races differently and the rest is mostly just normal history. That being said, Ukrainian opression in the USSR is not something you can only approach with common sense. You need a rigorous approach to it and even then you can land on quite different conclusions.

api 5y ago
When I started seeing the right-wing freakout over CRT I went and read some stuff on it. Let me put it this way. Yes, there are things I disagree with in the CRT package, but there was nothing in there that justifies the amount of attention it's getting. Some parts were quite reasonable. The idea that it's not just the letter of the law that matters but how the law is applied by the actual people applying it is common sense. The idea that a bureaucracy or social system can have biases built into it that none of the participants are fully aware of (systemic racism) is also obvious to anyone who has ever dealt with bureaucracies. This latter point is the base from which the straw man “all whites are racist” is extracted. That’s not what they are really saying. They are pointing out that one can participate in a system that has built in biases without consciously holding those biases. Like most political freak outs (including some on the left) it's overblown bullshit to rally up the base. Remember that modern US elections tend to be won on which side has larger turnout, and getting the base riled up with anger is the way you maximize turnout. The usual tactic is to cherry pick the craziest possible quotes or craziest people from the other side and portray them as representative of the entire movement. Sure you can find people in the CRT community saying stupid crazy things, but that is true for any group of people if you search hard enough. The left does this too by e.g. painting all Christian conservatives as Dominionists when the latter is an extreme fringe position rejected by most.
cvakf 5y ago
This is the danger of these discussions. Yes, perhaps Ukrainians have been structurally oppressed, but that is irrelevant to the point here. The same would have happened to a white engineer from Moscow whose great grand parents had been killed by Stalin.