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Elf – A reactive store with magical powers

36 points by roosgit 5y ago

AgentME 5y ago
I've been really itching for something that's like Redux, but works better with bundle splitting, has first-class support for entities and caching requests, and still has proper Typescript support. I'm going to be looking into this.
- nsonha 5y ago
  people have been thinking about that since we first used redux (which is what? 7 years) but it hasn't happened yet. Maybe, just maybe redux is a shit library, on top of which building something like that would be awkward, just look at RTK.
  - acemarke 5y ago
    Hi, I'm a Redux maintainer, and I created RTK. Can you clarify what you mean by "awkward"? FWIW, we have a _lot_ of very happy RTK users out there: https://www.reddit.com/r/reactjs/comments/px6kxy/redux_toolkit_is_awesome/ https://www.reddit.com/r/reactjs/comments/px6kxy/redux_toolk...
    - nsonha 5y ago
      hey this is just a passer by rant and I did not intend to start a conversation about a topic I consider rather boring and visited countless times in the front-end community. At this point all arguments have been presented by someone at some point. I don't have anything new to say, and don't use redux anymore. I don't know what the fact that you have "_a lot_" of happy users has anything to do here, may be that should make me happy? I should be.
      - plutonorm 5y ago
        how unpleasant.
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smitty1e 5y ago
Not to be confused with https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable_and_Linkable_Format https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable_and_Linkable_Form...
- cf100clunk 5y ago
  Indeed, yet another failure to do a simple name search. Also see https://www.elf.com/en https://www.elf.com/en for a longstanding corporate use of that name, although I doubt there would be any confusion between the petroleum company and this project.
  - bperson 5y ago
    Imagine another possibility. The person that named their project Elf looked at the other projects named Elf and thought, "my project is more deserving of the name". Don't attribute to incompetence that which can be explained with vanity
    - nerdponx 5y ago
      Or they just thought the existing uses of the name were for sufficiently different things.
      - bperson 5y ago
        OP was trying to be unkind so I wanted to keep the theme going. But, yes, your explanation is more likely
  - krono 5y ago
    Use of the word "elf" in various forms goes _slightly_ further back than even this business' use [0] Talk about failure to do a simple name search :) 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elf
    - cf100clunk 5y ago
amelius 5y ago
The design here made me think of: http://sigwait.tk/~alex/doc/bunz%2Cmercedes__school-will-never-end/ http://sigwait.tk/~alex/doc/bunz%2Cmercedes__school-will-nev...
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- AgentME 5y ago
  This is the most "get off my lawn" thing I've read around here in a while. I'm baffled that the author thinks there's any mystery that many users and many designers like injecting some playfulness into their work. It's so over the top to describe the choice of playful logos as "manipulating [users], engendering stupidity as the desirable state they should be in". Realizing I don't want to be as much of a stick in the mud as the author is making me actively wonder how I can make my own work more playful. Additionally I think the article makes a bit of a mistake to group up old distracting playfulness attempts (Microsoft Clippy and related assistants; I'd put other old fashions like animated cursor trails in this category too), playful logos (Google, Twitter, etc, like the Elf logo here), and flat design. Microsoft Clippy was egregious for surprising the user, animating about, and talking when the user is trying to focus. I think it's overreaching to look at Clippy, decide the playfulness was the bad part, and then associate its badness with logos and flat design. I think the article overlooks the intended benefits of flat design in how it simplifies the UI by removing unnecessary skeuomorphisms and details. (There are valid criticisms that flat design sometimes removes too many details and makes UIs harder to understand, but the article only talks about flat design as an arbitrary fashion of playfulness.)
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  - amelius 5y ago
    Sorry but I view this kind of playfulness as an unnecessary distraction and regard it as unprofessional. Did you ever see a medical or engineering text (outside of software engineering) or mathematical text aimed at professionals with such graphics?
duiker101 5y ago
Unfortunately, opening the docs immediately redirects me to a non-working Stackblitz page, so I can't really see it :(
ramesh31 5y ago
Seems like Redux with extra steps. After switching to MobX State Tree, I can't go back to anything that doesn't provide runtime typechecking.

36 points by roosgit 5y ago

I've been really itching for something that's like Redux, but works better with bundle splitting, has first-class support for entities and caching requests, and still has proper Typescript support. I'm going to be looking into this.

nsonha 5y ago
people have been thinking about that since we first used redux (which is what? 7 years) but it hasn't happened yet. Maybe, just maybe redux is a shit library, on top of which building something like that would be awkward, just look at RTK.
- acemarke 5y ago
  Hi, I'm a Redux maintainer, and I created RTK. Can you clarify what you mean by "awkward"? FWIW, we have a _lot_ of very happy RTK users out there: https://www.reddit.com/r/reactjs/comments/px6kxy/redux_toolkit_is_awesome/ https://www.reddit.com/r/reactjs/comments/px6kxy/redux_toolk...
  - nsonha 5y ago
    hey this is just a passer by rant and I did not intend to start a conversation about a topic I consider rather boring and visited countless times in the front-end community. At this point all arguments have been presented by someone at some point. I don't have anything new to say, and don't use redux anymore. I don't know what the fact that you have "_a lot_" of happy users has anything to do here, may be that should make me happy? I should be.
    - plutonorm 5y ago
      how unpleasant.
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smitty1e 5y ago

Not to be confused with https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable_and_Linkable_Format https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executable_and_Linkable_Form...

cf100clunk 5y ago
Indeed, yet another failure to do a simple name search. Also see https://www.elf.com/en https://www.elf.com/en for a longstanding corporate use of that name, although I doubt there would be any confusion between the petroleum company and this project.
- bperson 5y ago
  Imagine another possibility. The person that named their project Elf looked at the other projects named Elf and thought, "my project is more deserving of the name". Don't attribute to incompetence that which can be explained with vanity
  - nerdponx 5y ago
    Or they just thought the existing uses of the name were for sufficiently different things.
    - bperson 5y ago
      OP was trying to be unkind so I wanted to keep the theme going. But, yes, your explanation is more likely
- krono 5y ago
  Use of the word "elf" in various forms goes _slightly_ further back than even this business' use [0] Talk about failure to do a simple name search :) 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elf
  - cf100clunk 5y ago

amelius 5y ago

The design here made me think of: http://sigwait.tk/~alex/doc/bunz%2Cmercedes__school-will-never-end/ http://sigwait.tk/~alex/doc/bunz%2Cmercedes__school-will-nev...

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AgentME 5y ago
This is the most "get off my lawn" thing I've read around here in a while. I'm baffled that the author thinks there's any mystery that many users and many designers like injecting some playfulness into their work. It's so over the top to describe the choice of playful logos as "manipulating [users], engendering stupidity as the desirable state they should be in". Realizing I don't want to be as much of a stick in the mud as the author is making me actively wonder how I can make my own work more playful. Additionally I think the article makes a bit of a mistake to group up old distracting playfulness attempts (Microsoft Clippy and related assistants; I'd put other old fashions like animated cursor trails in this category too), playful logos (Google, Twitter, etc, like the Elf logo here), and flat design. Microsoft Clippy was egregious for surprising the user, animating about, and talking when the user is trying to focus. I think it's overreaching to look at Clippy, decide the playfulness was the bad part, and then associate its badness with logos and flat design. I think the article overlooks the intended benefits of flat design in how it simplifies the UI by removing unnecessary skeuomorphisms and details. (There are valid criticisms that flat design sometimes removes too many details and makes UIs harder to understand, but the article only talks about flat design as an arbitrary fashion of playfulness.)
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- amelius 5y ago
  Sorry but I view this kind of playfulness as an unnecessary distraction and regard it as unprofessional. Did you ever see a medical or engineering text (outside of software engineering) or mathematical text aimed at professionals with such graphics?

duiker101 5y ago

Unfortunately, opening the docs immediately redirects me to a non-working Stackblitz page, so I can't really see it :(

ramesh31 5y ago

Seems like Redux with extra steps. After switching to MobX State Tree, I can't go back to anything that doesn't provide runtime typechecking.