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XPS 13 currently, and probably next as well. I look for: - track record of linux compatibility. If it's Windows or out, I'm out. - good keyboard. - good scre

XPS 13 currently, and probably next as well. I look for: - track record of linux compatibility. If it's Windows or out, I'm out. - good keyboard. - good screen, > 1920x1080 although 4K is overkill, preferably 16:10. Macbooks look tempting, but I just don't trust Apple to not break any workflow that isn't editing videos about how great Apple products are. The current keys are good but - sorry, the (pre-butterfly!) keyboard on my OH's MBP is awful, easily the worst keyboard I've ever used on a >$1000 laptop.

imron 5y ago
> but I just don't trust Apple to not break any workflow that isn't editing videos They broke that a while back too.
godDLL 5y ago
I hear you about Apple breaking things. But we disagree on the keyboard. I'd say that all their mobile keyboards past 2015 are utter crap, and I'd wager that this can technically be measured in breakage, dust sensitivity, typing comfort and typing performance.
- microtonal 5y ago
  Since they switched back from the awful butterfly mechanism to scissors, their keyboards have been perfectly fine for me.
  - godDLL 5y ago
    Yes, they are better for going back. No, that's not going to do. I don't even live in a town. There are literally rafts (barns) all over where I live. I can not escape sand. And a single speck is all it takes. To poke a hole in the screen. To disable a key. That's not good design.
  - Oddskar 5y ago
    I still prefer my 2015 MBP keyboard to the 2021 one. It’s honestly crazy that they somehow regressed on this given so much time passed.
    - godDLL 5y ago
      Yeah, those were 99% awesome. If they were spill-drained they would be 100% awesome.
harry8 5y ago
I have a Dell xps and will never buy another laptop from dell. It's an embarrassment how awful if is. Close the lid without full shutdown, warranty voided bad.
- Darmody 5y ago
  It's not exactly like that. Under no circumstances should you leave a laptop powered on and in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag, backpack, or in an overhead bin. The laptop will overheat as a result of that action. Why would you put a laptop on a bag if it is still running and expect the warranty to cover any damage if it overheats? What's next? Expect the warranty to cover you taking showers while playing with your laptop? Shut it down or hibernate and you won't have to worry about that.
  - _Understated_ 5y ago
    Your own quote mentions you can't hibernate it. And we recently could close laptops, have them sleep/hibernate and not wake up until you open the screen again so sticking them in a backpack was fine. Not sure if the issue is Windows or the hardware but it's a recent thing.
    - Darmody 5y ago
      Unless Windows is doing something weird, hibernate is no different that shutting it down.
      - deleted 5y ago
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      - EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 5y ago
        Problem is with the drivers, many devices don't support resuming after hibernate.
  - hnfong 5y ago
    Seems like the GP summarized what you quoted perfectly. Not sure about user expectations but it’s the first time I heard about laptops overheating in standby mode.
smoyer 5y ago
I went from one XPS15 (2017) version to the next (2020) and found that in the interrim the S3 sleep has disappeared.
- tomrod 5y ago
  Yes I find it very frustrating on Linux. XPS 2020 here as well.
katbyte 5y ago
Fwiw I’ve been using MacBooks for 7 years and maybe only a handful of times did my dev workflows break (and always in fairly minor ways). Home brew makes things pretty easy However I am still on a 2015 MacBook.
tomrod 5y ago
I recently picked up a Mac for client work. I have a hard time with the muscle memory on keyboard mapping. I get there are legacy reasons for the differences, but would love a toggle option to switch mappings to Linux.
- _mitch 5y ago
  I'm the same way (switch between Linux, MacOS, and Windows) and use Karabiner-Elements on Mac to remap keys and standardize shortcuts. https://karabiner-elements.pqrs.org/ https://karabiner-elements.pqrs.org/
  - Oddskar 5y ago
    I have the same problem. I build different modes into my keyboard via QMK that I can switch via special key combos. It works okish, with the exception being that modifiers just work differently on Mac with Cmd not really cleanly mapping to Ctrl — don’t you find this annoying?

imron 5y ago

> but I just don't trust Apple to not break any workflow that isn't editing videos They broke that a while back too.

godDLL 5y ago

I hear you about Apple breaking things. But we disagree on the keyboard. I'd say that all their mobile keyboards past 2015 are utter crap, and I'd wager that this can technically be measured in breakage, dust sensitivity, typing comfort and typing performance.

microtonal 5y ago
Since they switched back from the awful butterfly mechanism to scissors, their keyboards have been perfectly fine for me.
- godDLL 5y ago
  Yes, they are better for going back. No, that's not going to do. I don't even live in a town. There are literally rafts (barns) all over where I live. I can not escape sand. And a single speck is all it takes. To poke a hole in the screen. To disable a key. That's not good design.
- Oddskar 5y ago
  I still prefer my 2015 MBP keyboard to the 2021 one. It’s honestly crazy that they somehow regressed on this given so much time passed.
  - godDLL 5y ago
    Yeah, those were 99% awesome. If they were spill-drained they would be 100% awesome.

harry8 5y ago

I have a Dell xps and will never buy another laptop from dell. It's an embarrassment how awful if is. Close the lid without full shutdown, warranty voided bad.

Darmody 5y ago
It's not exactly like that. Under no circumstances should you leave a laptop powered on and in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag, backpack, or in an overhead bin. The laptop will overheat as a result of that action. Why would you put a laptop on a bag if it is still running and expect the warranty to cover any damage if it overheats? What's next? Expect the warranty to cover you taking showers while playing with your laptop? Shut it down or hibernate and you won't have to worry about that.
- _Understated_ 5y ago
  Your own quote mentions you can't hibernate it. And we recently could close laptops, have them sleep/hibernate and not wake up until you open the screen again so sticking them in a backpack was fine. Not sure if the issue is Windows or the hardware but it's a recent thing.
  - Darmody 5y ago
    Unless Windows is doing something weird, hibernate is no different that shutting it down.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
    - EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 5y ago
      Problem is with the drivers, many devices don't support resuming after hibernate.
- hnfong 5y ago
  Seems like the GP summarized what you quoted perfectly. Not sure about user expectations but it’s the first time I heard about laptops overheating in standby mode.

smoyer 5y ago

I went from one XPS15 (2017) version to the next (2020) and found that in the interrim the S3 sleep has disappeared.

tomrod 5y ago
Yes I find it very frustrating on Linux. XPS 2020 here as well.

katbyte 5y ago

Fwiw I’ve been using MacBooks for 7 years and maybe only a handful of times did my dev workflows break (and always in fairly minor ways). Home brew makes things pretty easy However I am still on a 2015 MacBook.

tomrod 5y ago

I recently picked up a Mac for client work. I have a hard time with the muscle memory on keyboard mapping. I get there are legacy reasons for the differences, but would love a toggle option to switch mappings to Linux.

_mitch 5y ago
I'm the same way (switch between Linux, MacOS, and Windows) and use Karabiner-Elements on Mac to remap keys and standardize shortcuts. https://karabiner-elements.pqrs.org/ https://karabiner-elements.pqrs.org/
- Oddskar 5y ago
  I have the same problem. I build different modes into my keyboard via QMK that I can switch via special key combos. It works okish, with the exception being that modifiers just work differently on Mac with Cmd not really cleanly mapping to Ctrl — don’t you find this annoying?