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How is that connected in any way to a vaccine passport?

inter_netuser 5y ago
Because quite literally the same vendors who built vaccine passports are bidding on CBDC contacts?
bpodgursky 5y ago
Do you think it's many steps away? For example: Seattle is about to ban in-person dining w/o a vaccine card. An easy way to enforce that? Have the credit card processors reject payment at a dining establishment from anyone who hasn't proven vaccination status w/ Visa and MasterCard. When there's a central gov agency with control over financial transactions I 100% guarantee every crusade of the moment is going to try to use it as leverage.
- walterbell 5y ago
  Local restaurants can reject discriminatory and un-scientific vaxport mandates by closing their in-person dining room and serving takeout only -- to any customer. With a discount for cash purchases. Or get a good lawyer, pool with other restaurants and challenge the fines. Some states have lost in court against challenges to 2020 restrictions, fines were voided and the state had to cover legal costs for the lawsuit which challenged the state.
- te_chris 5y ago
  That’s not an easy way to enforce that! An easy way is just to have people check ids, like they’re going to do I assume -same way most of Europe is doing it.
  - bpodgursky 5y ago
    It's much, much easier for the government to exert control over the financial institutions than to ensure that businesses are checking IDs manually (many businesses will not bother, out of either principled disagreement or apathy).
    - chinathrow 5y ago
      > It's much, much easier for the government to exert control over the financial institutions Citation needed. Europe has been rolling out proof of vaccination at high speed and with low costs associated. Oh and yes, most business do bother and check thoroughly (scan of QR code which is proof of vaccination/recovered/negatively tested status, check ID matches name on certificate). Control through financial instituations is not even possible, how so?
  - Sargos 5y ago
    Restaurants can't even hire enough people to actually keep their businesses open some days and on good days you'll see a sea of empty tables and a wait-list to get in and now they are supposed to have someone dedicated to checking IDs too? I guess the 16 year old at the front will perform that duty diligently too.
lettergram 5y ago
https://www.smartcompany.com.au/business-advice/legal/nsw-businesses-risk-5000-fines-unvaccinated-customers/ https://www.smartcompany.com.au/business-advice/legal/nsw-bu... If you conduct business with an unvaccinated person you receive $5k fines in Australia. $1k to the individual. This has been escalating, one thing I suggest to people — pull out your vaccination card. How many slots are on the card? They could have made the card fit into your wallet, if it’s was smaller and didn’t have 4 slots for those 2 shots. Oh darn, now you have to use the app. This isn’t going to stop. “Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world” — Henry Kissinger
- chinathrow 5y ago
  > This isn’t going to stop. In some countries, it will, of course, stop. The goal in most countries is not to live with a vaccination passport forever, the goal is to curb and end the global pandemic. Once this goal has been achieved, vaccinatoin checks will go away.
  - unabirra 5y ago
    You are very naive if you believe this will go away anytime soon. They don't call it the "new normal" for no reason.
  - zapdrive 5y ago
    Just like how TSA went away after we ended global terrorism?

Because quite literally the same vendors who built vaccine passports are bidding on CBDC contacts?

Do you think it's many steps away? For example: Seattle is about to ban in-person dining w/o a vaccine card. An easy way to enforce that? Have the credit card processors reject payment at a dining establishment from anyone who hasn't proven vaccination status w/ Visa and MasterCard. When there's a central gov agency with control over financial transactions I 100% guarantee every crusade of the moment is going to try to use it as leverage.

walterbell 5y ago
Local restaurants can reject discriminatory and un-scientific vaxport mandates by closing their in-person dining room and serving takeout only -- to any customer. With a discount for cash purchases. Or get a good lawyer, pool with other restaurants and challenge the fines. Some states have lost in court against challenges to 2020 restrictions, fines were voided and the state had to cover legal costs for the lawsuit which challenged the state.
te_chris 5y ago
That’s not an easy way to enforce that! An easy way is just to have people check ids, like they’re going to do I assume -same way most of Europe is doing it.
- bpodgursky 5y ago
  It's much, much easier for the government to exert control over the financial institutions than to ensure that businesses are checking IDs manually (many businesses will not bother, out of either principled disagreement or apathy).
  - chinathrow 5y ago
    > It's much, much easier for the government to exert control over the financial institutions Citation needed. Europe has been rolling out proof of vaccination at high speed and with low costs associated. Oh and yes, most business do bother and check thoroughly (scan of QR code which is proof of vaccination/recovered/negatively tested status, check ID matches name on certificate). Control through financial instituations is not even possible, how so?
- Sargos 5y ago
  Restaurants can't even hire enough people to actually keep their businesses open some days and on good days you'll see a sea of empty tables and a wait-list to get in and now they are supposed to have someone dedicated to checking IDs too? I guess the 16 year old at the front will perform that duty diligently too.

lettergram 5y ago

https://www.smartcompany.com.au/business-advice/legal/nsw-businesses-risk-5000-fines-unvaccinated-customers/ https://www.smartcompany.com.au/business-advice/legal/nsw-bu... If you conduct business with an unvaccinated person you receive $5k fines in Australia. $1k to the individual. This has been escalating, one thing I suggest to people — pull out your vaccination card. How many slots are on the card? They could have made the card fit into your wallet, if it’s was smaller and didn’t have 4 slots for those 2 shots. Oh darn, now you have to use the app. This isn’t going to stop. “Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world” — Henry Kissinger

chinathrow 5y ago
> This isn’t going to stop. In some countries, it will, of course, stop. The goal in most countries is not to live with a vaccination passport forever, the goal is to curb and end the global pandemic. Once this goal has been achieved, vaccinatoin checks will go away.
- unabirra 5y ago
  You are very naive if you believe this will go away anytime soon. They don't call it the "new normal" for no reason.
- zapdrive 5y ago
  Just like how TSA went away after we ended global terrorism?