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I can't remember the last time I so badly wanted a company to succeed AND also believed it was possible for them to thrive. I think the landscape is right: awa

I can't remember the last time I so badly wanted a company to succeed AND also believed it was possible for them to thrive. I think the landscape is right: awareness of reparability is probably at the highest its ever been, along with access to information and tools. The chip shortage and general lack of breakthrough gains in processing aside from Zen has stalled the upgrade cycles a bit, giving Framework time to dig its heel into the ground without being having to deal with new internal components. And the chip shortage also might produce a sense of "whatever I buy needs to last", which is a perfect match for Framework's platform.

sylens 5y ago
I believe they recently got more funding to expand operations because Linus from LTT said he was personally investing in them. That makes me feel a little bit better about waiting for a 14" form factor and/or an AMD chip
- terafo 5y ago
  > I believe they recently got more funding to expand operations because Linus from LTT said he was personally investing in them. That makes me feel a little bit better about waiting for a 14" form factor and/or an AMD chip IIRC he wasn't even a main investor and his investment was around 200k, which isn't that much.
  - dwild 5y ago
    Sure but he was able to be one because they recently did raise funds and had a tiny bit leftover.
  - 0des 5y ago
    Here we indicate who is under the impression he invested for anything other than promotion
    - kadoban 5y ago
      Promotion of who? Himself? Seems unlikely, he's more well known than Framework is and has easier ways to advertise. Of Framework? Yeah that seems like it'd be an intended part of the plan.
  - sylens 5y ago
    Yeah, I didn't mean to insinuate that he was personally keeping them afloat - but if they were taking on funding to expand their operations, I have a feeling they'll be around for a few years at least.
- OJFord 5y ago
  That's at best neutral, but probably 'anti-marketing' as far as I'm concerned.
  - DiggyJohnson 5y ago
    I've always appreciated LTT, while acknowledging that they do contribute to the tech-industry product innovation churn. They seem self-aware and truly knowledgeable about the tech.
    - OJFord 5y ago
      I've probably only seen a few partial videos, (out of not wanting to see more of them) but it just comes across as consumer tech blog masquerading as more technical to me.
      - kadoban 5y ago
        It's a mix of different content, most of it not terribly technical except that a bunch of it is PC components. It's about as technical as mainstream content gets though. One thing of note, it's where a good portion of a generation of nerds learned how to build a computer, so it gets some cred for that.
      - sylens 5y ago
        not everybody is in their audience, but I find they generally do a decent job of trying to explain the concepts and ideas they are planning to talk about or review in a video. It can often be a good primer for bringing someone up to speed before sending them off to find more info.
- vinay427 5y ago
  For what it’s worth, the current 3:2 13” option has about the same screen real estate as a 16:9 14.0” display, so it’s not as bad as the diagonal dimension suggests.
echelon 5y ago
I hope this company grows and never forgets its openness. I'd love to see them absorb an open source phone, like Pine Phone, and create a cohesive open platform and device ecosystem. Imagine if they grew big enough to buy out Remarkable. Note taking, ebooks, ... I'd love to have all my hardware and productivity tools from an open company and have them all be hackable, extensible, repairable, and interoperable. Maybe they could even scoop up Mozilla and give everything a singular purpose. Computing as a liberating force yet again.
- rockemsockem 5y ago
  Why do you think the best case scenario for openness is centralization? I love all of the organizations you listed and I think the best way for them to thrive is to remain separate. You want good integration between an open phone, laptop, and e-ink tablet? It's far better for open standards to be established to make this possible, so that any future company founded on similar principles with a similar business model can step right into this ecosystem.
- walterbell 5y ago
  Centralize open hardware under an ex-Facebook team? No thanks. We can encourage more competition and innovation, in many niches.
  - diskzero 5y ago
    Is is possible that they learned lessons about fairness and openness as a result of their experience at Facebook? Is the stain of being associated with Facebook so indelible that no redemption exists? I am no fan of Facebook and encourage all current employees to quit. I do worry about a future where actions committed in ones past are considered so severe to be unforgivable. I would hate to be judged in such a manner.
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    - echelon 5y ago
Abishek_Muthian 5y ago
> The chip shortage I agree that this is the time to shout loud about the need for reparability, But an average consumer doesn't even know that manufacturers from automobile industry to consumer electronics are silently switching their internals due to the chip shortage[1]. Yet still the automobile industry is way better in terms of reparability, 1950s Mercedez Benz, Porsche can still get official parts and yes they're luxury products but tech media calls the consumer electronics brand which sells >$1000 phone as luxury brand too; May be it's just for aspiration porn but if I drop a minute old $1000 phone and it goes to garbage because it cannot be repaired its not luxury it's garbage. [1] https://needgap.com/problems/234-what-has-been-removed-due-to-chip-shortage-comparision-semiconductor https://needgap.com/problems/234-what-has-been-removed-due-t... (Disclaimer: I run this).
- phreeza 5y ago
  > if I drop a minute old $1000 phone and it goes to garbage because it cannot be repaired its not luxury it's garbage Pretty sure if you drop a Porsche from 1m at a random angle it also goes in the garbage. Better comparisons are maybe things like Commodore 64s or Ataris, for which there are spare parts and active Enthusiast scenes still available. Not sure if that will ever be the case for iPhones, but I could imagine it happening for Mac's or Macbooks.
  - Abishek_Muthian 5y ago
    Commodore 64 enthusiasts don't go around calling it a 'luxury' product.

sylens 5y ago

I believe they recently got more funding to expand operations because Linus from LTT said he was personally investing in them. That makes me feel a little bit better about waiting for a 14" form factor and/or an AMD chip

terafo 5y ago
> I believe they recently got more funding to expand operations because Linus from LTT said he was personally investing in them. That makes me feel a little bit better about waiting for a 14" form factor and/or an AMD chip IIRC he wasn't even a main investor and his investment was around 200k, which isn't that much.
- dwild 5y ago
  Sure but he was able to be one because they recently did raise funds and had a tiny bit leftover.
- 0des 5y ago
  Here we indicate who is under the impression he invested for anything other than promotion
  - kadoban 5y ago
    Promotion of who? Himself? Seems unlikely, he's more well known than Framework is and has easier ways to advertise. Of Framework? Yeah that seems like it'd be an intended part of the plan.
- sylens 5y ago
  Yeah, I didn't mean to insinuate that he was personally keeping them afloat - but if they were taking on funding to expand their operations, I have a feeling they'll be around for a few years at least.
OJFord 5y ago
That's at best neutral, but probably 'anti-marketing' as far as I'm concerned.
- DiggyJohnson 5y ago
  I've always appreciated LTT, while acknowledging that they do contribute to the tech-industry product innovation churn. They seem self-aware and truly knowledgeable about the tech.
  - OJFord 5y ago
    I've probably only seen a few partial videos, (out of not wanting to see more of them) but it just comes across as consumer tech blog masquerading as more technical to me.
    - kadoban 5y ago
      It's a mix of different content, most of it not terribly technical except that a bunch of it is PC components. It's about as technical as mainstream content gets though. One thing of note, it's where a good portion of a generation of nerds learned how to build a computer, so it gets some cred for that.
    - sylens 5y ago
      not everybody is in their audience, but I find they generally do a decent job of trying to explain the concepts and ideas they are planning to talk about or review in a video. It can often be a good primer for bringing someone up to speed before sending them off to find more info.
vinay427 5y ago
For what it’s worth, the current 3:2 13” option has about the same screen real estate as a 16:9 14.0” display, so it’s not as bad as the diagonal dimension suggests.

echelon 5y ago

I hope this company grows and never forgets its openness. I'd love to see them absorb an open source phone, like Pine Phone, and create a cohesive open platform and device ecosystem. Imagine if they grew big enough to buy out Remarkable. Note taking, ebooks, ... I'd love to have all my hardware and productivity tools from an open company and have them all be hackable, extensible, repairable, and interoperable. Maybe they could even scoop up Mozilla and give everything a singular purpose. Computing as a liberating force yet again.

rockemsockem 5y ago
Why do you think the best case scenario for openness is centralization? I love all of the organizations you listed and I think the best way for them to thrive is to remain separate. You want good integration between an open phone, laptop, and e-ink tablet? It's far better for open standards to be established to make this possible, so that any future company founded on similar principles with a similar business model can step right into this ecosystem.
walterbell 5y ago
Centralize open hardware under an ex-Facebook team? No thanks. We can encourage more competition and innovation, in many niches.
- diskzero 5y ago
  Is is possible that they learned lessons about fairness and openness as a result of their experience at Facebook? Is the stain of being associated with Facebook so indelible that no redemption exists? I am no fan of Facebook and encourage all current employees to quit. I do worry about a future where actions committed in ones past are considered so severe to be unforgivable. I would hate to be judged in such a manner.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - echelon 5y ago

Abishek_Muthian 5y ago

> The chip shortage I agree that this is the time to shout loud about the need for reparability, But an average consumer doesn't even know that manufacturers from automobile industry to consumer electronics are silently switching their internals due to the chip shortage[1]. Yet still the automobile industry is way better in terms of reparability, 1950s Mercedez Benz, Porsche can still get official parts and yes they're luxury products but tech media calls the consumer electronics brand which sells >$1000 phone as luxury brand too; May be it's just for aspiration porn but if I drop a minute old $1000 phone and it goes to garbage because it cannot be repaired its not luxury it's garbage. [1] https://needgap.com/problems/234-what-has-been-removed-due-to-chip-shortage-comparision-semiconductor https://needgap.com/problems/234-what-has-been-removed-due-t... (Disclaimer: I run this).

phreeza 5y ago
> if I drop a minute old $1000 phone and it goes to garbage because it cannot be repaired its not luxury it's garbage Pretty sure if you drop a Porsche from 1m at a random angle it also goes in the garbage. Better comparisons are maybe things like Commodore 64s or Ataris, for which there are spare parts and active Enthusiast scenes still available. Not sure if that will ever be the case for iPhones, but I could imagine it happening for Mac's or Macbooks.
- Abishek_Muthian 5y ago
  Commodore 64 enthusiasts don't go around calling it a 'luxury' product.