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Its poorly written software that is riddled with bugs. Its also the best new piece of big software out there. In the days before teams, remote working together

by rocqua 5y ago

Its poorly written software that is riddled with bugs. Its also the best new piece of big software out there. In the days before teams, remote working together in an entire company was hell. Either you were on skype for business, or each team had their own thing that was different and not official. With teams, everyone is on there. The other microsoft things are integrated, not seamlessly because of bugs, but easily good enough for most things. The chat is available and used, and a nice alternative to e-mail for smaller things. Teams works well enough for most people, and is very easy to get started with. So most people actually use it, and you get a network effect.

tester34 5y ago
Discord > rest of the market
- rPlayer6554 5y ago
  Functionally yes, but they don't have the features needed for business clientele. Even their payment scheme is very unorthodox.
- rocqua 5y ago
  There is no way the company I work at could switch to discord. Besides licensing, there is: - account setup - sharepoint integration - 'gamer' reputation - (I think) no on-prem solution to keep things off external servers - ease of sending an outlook invite (from native outlook) that immediately comes with a video meeting link. Teams is a pile of bad software development practices. But it has the correct features to actually be adopted by enterprise. Sadly a large part of those features come from microsoft lock-in and are very hard for competitors to match.
  - solarkraft 5y ago
    I completely agree. What my employer had before introducing Teams was worse. I was relieved when its calendar integration allowed me to skip using the pile of shit Outlook is (on Windows; web app, iOS app and new macOS app are relatively fine!). What I found quite notable about Teams is that for all its flaws and issues, the core functionality is very, very solid! Calls never drop, noise suppression is quite good, it’s slow but rarely freezes/crashes etc. They know very well what would actually disqualify them with people who decide over its usage. They must have some (in this area very good) project management philosophy the other teams don’t have, as I haven’t seen such a focus on core functionality in any other Microsoft product - bugs in other apps vary randomly in severity, often enough losing you a lot of time or data.
    - zelphirkalt 5y ago
      > What I found quite notable about Teams is that for all its flaws and issues, the core functionality is very, very solid! Calls never drop, noise suppression is quite good, it’s slow but rarely freezes/crashes etc. That's funny, because it is exactly the opposite of my experience. Every day I have random issues with MS Teams: Call drops, microphone suddenly "does not work", which can be fixed by rejoining a call, so it cannot have been the microphone, noisy output from other call participants, cannot call anyone who is calling you at the same time, not showing that and not establishing a call when two individuals call each other, not showing any notification about anyone calling when being in a call already and the list probably goes on, as this is just what comes to mind right now. > They know very well what would actually disqualify them with people who decide over its usage. In my mind they are long disqualified and if I had a say, I would not even use it at all. So actually they do not seem to know what would disqualify them.

by rocqua 5y ago

tester34 5y ago

Discord > rest of the market

rPlayer6554 5y ago
Functionally yes, but they don't have the features needed for business clientele. Even their payment scheme is very unorthodox.
rocqua 5y ago
There is no way the company I work at could switch to discord. Besides licensing, there is: - account setup - sharepoint integration - 'gamer' reputation - (I think) no on-prem solution to keep things off external servers - ease of sending an outlook invite (from native outlook) that immediately comes with a video meeting link. Teams is a pile of bad software development practices. But it has the correct features to actually be adopted by enterprise. Sadly a large part of those features come from microsoft lock-in and are very hard for competitors to match.
- solarkraft 5y ago
  I completely agree. What my employer had before introducing Teams was worse. I was relieved when its calendar integration allowed me to skip using the pile of shit Outlook is (on Windows; web app, iOS app and new macOS app are relatively fine!). What I found quite notable about Teams is that for all its flaws and issues, the core functionality is very, very solid! Calls never drop, noise suppression is quite good, it’s slow but rarely freezes/crashes etc. They know very well what would actually disqualify them with people who decide over its usage. They must have some (in this area very good) project management philosophy the other teams don’t have, as I haven’t seen such a focus on core functionality in any other Microsoft product - bugs in other apps vary randomly in severity, often enough losing you a lot of time or data.
  - zelphirkalt 5y ago
    > What I found quite notable about Teams is that for all its flaws and issues, the core functionality is very, very solid! Calls never drop, noise suppression is quite good, it’s slow but rarely freezes/crashes etc. That's funny, because it is exactly the opposite of my experience. Every day I have random issues with MS Teams: Call drops, microphone suddenly "does not work", which can be fixed by rejoining a call, so it cannot have been the microphone, noisy output from other call participants, cannot call anyone who is calling you at the same time, not showing that and not establishing a call when two individuals call each other, not showing any notification about anyone calling when being in a call already and the list probably goes on, as this is just what comes to mind right now. > They know very well what would actually disqualify them with people who decide over its usage. In my mind they are long disqualified and if I had a say, I would not even use it at all. So actually they do not seem to know what would disqualify them.