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I've been living & working here for 13 years. Moving out in December. Had enough. Between schools considering cancelling advanced math[1] while mandating ethnic

I've been living & working here for 13 years. Moving out in December. Had enough. Between schools considering cancelling advanced math[1] while mandating ethnic studies[2] (guess which one is more marketable, geniuses?); schoolboards being more worried about school names (while doing no research) [3] than curricula; housing costing an arm, a leg, and a thigh (I do own my home, but it is not big enough for a family, and I have no chances to ever afford one here that is); insane & rising taxes [4][5], especially now with SALT deduction limits; and police not investigating car break ins [6] "because the homeless have it hard enough," I am done with this place. So long and good luck! [1] https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-05-20/california-controversial-math-overhaul-focuses-on-equity https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-05-20/californ... [2] https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/576071-california-becomes-first-state-to-mandate-high-school-ethnic-studies https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/576071-california-b... [3] https://www.sfgate.com/education/article/San-Francisco-to-rename-44-schools-washington-15901689.php https://www.sfgate.com/education/article/San-Francisco-to-re... [4] https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2021/05/01/california-proposes-168-tax-rate--wealth-taxagain-time-to-move/?sh=5b331e994f06 https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2021/05/01/californi... [5] https://www.cbs8.com/article/traffic/gas-prices/californias-gas-tax-jump-july-1-2021/509-86620b17-378c-4e57-9e22-25eca17230b8 https://www.cbs8.com/article/traffic/gas-prices/californias-... [6] https://twitter.com/sfcarbreakins https://twitter.com/sfcarbreakins

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Dylan16807 5y ago
> Between schools considering cancelling advanced math[1] while mandating ethnic studies[2] (guess which one is more marketable, geniuses?) The math thing sounds like a bad idea but high school's job isn't to make you "marketable". Also you're implying that it's a tradeoff when it isn't. The suggested change would not affect how much math a student would take. Ethnic studies sounds like a valuable thing to add to baseline education. And if their history curriculum is anywhere near as repetitive as the one I went through, it could easily replace one of those courses without issue.
- rayiner 5y ago
  > Ethnic studies sounds like a valuable thing to add to baseline education As far as I can tell, it’s just a thinly disguised effort to socialize brown kids into identity politics. It’s an experiment that risks derailing the economic convergence that’s we’re seeing with Latinos and could cut the legs out from under Asian upward mobility. I was seething when I got an email from my school saying they’d be teaching my (brown) kids to develop their “identity” around “skin color” but hey what can you do. The liberals get what the liberals want.
  - tptacek 5y ago
    Presumably that's how the liberals in Texas and Florida feel, too. This comment would be better without the last sentence.
    - rayiner 5y ago
      Conservatives don’t have the weight of the NEA and AFT behind them, not to mention the country’s teacher’s colleges and EdD-granting institutions. I’m in a purple county (+38 for Larry Hogan) and it’s an uphill battle against identity politics even here. Moreover, conservatives support the educational status quo, which is at least a known quantity. America of the few countries in the world where minority immigrants have similar upward mobility to natives of the majority ethnic group. The changes liberals are trying to impose on our education risk socializing minority children into the ethnic identity ghettos you see in nearly every other multi-ethnic society. Liberals are going to get the change they want, and we’ll just have to cross our fingers and hope it doesn’t derail the American assimilation engine.
      - tptacek 5y ago
        I'm just saying, you had an interesting thing to say, and you spent one of your most valuable sentences asking me to weigh liberal irrationality against conservative irrationality. I immediately blanked on what it was you were trying to say and had to go read it again. It's just bad writing. I'm not asking you to like liberals. I'm one of them, and I find them frustrating too.
deadmutex 5y ago
:(, so much truth in this post. I really don't understand the math situation -- my fear is that the students in CA public schools will have harder time getting into top colleges because they will lack the opportunity to take more advanced coursework. This is likely going to push more parents to put their kids in private school (if they have the means).
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  I don't think this a real concern. Frankly, most top colleges prefer to have students re-learn those courses in college, so they won't miss much. Plus, those schools have other metrics to determine "good" high schools besides just the classes taken. The rigor and distribution of students, the quality of essays, the breakdown of standardized tests etc. All that is being missed is students having a harder time in high school.
  - dmitrygr 5y ago
    What nonsense is that? I went to UIUC (one of the best for CS) and they were happy to give me credit for all AP classes, and then allowed me to test out of further 2xx and 3xx classes as I chose...
setpatchaddress 5y ago
Yes, progressives really have their collective heads up their asses on SALT. AOC and Liz Warren loving a Republican tax scheme designed to punish blue states is something to behold.
birdyrooster 5y ago
Goodbye! Enjoy complaining somewhere else, the value of living in the bay more than makes up for any of these issues.

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Dylan16807 5y ago

> Between schools considering cancelling advanced math[1] while mandating ethnic studies[2] (guess which one is more marketable, geniuses?) The math thing sounds like a bad idea but high school's job isn't to make you "marketable". Also you're implying that it's a tradeoff when it isn't. The suggested change would not affect how much math a student would take. Ethnic studies sounds like a valuable thing to add to baseline education. And if their history curriculum is anywhere near as repetitive as the one I went through, it could easily replace one of those courses without issue.

rayiner 5y ago
> Ethnic studies sounds like a valuable thing to add to baseline education As far as I can tell, it’s just a thinly disguised effort to socialize brown kids into identity politics. It’s an experiment that risks derailing the economic convergence that’s we’re seeing with Latinos and could cut the legs out from under Asian upward mobility. I was seething when I got an email from my school saying they’d be teaching my (brown) kids to develop their “identity” around “skin color” but hey what can you do. The liberals get what the liberals want.
- tptacek 5y ago
  Presumably that's how the liberals in Texas and Florida feel, too. This comment would be better without the last sentence.
  - rayiner 5y ago
    Conservatives don’t have the weight of the NEA and AFT behind them, not to mention the country’s teacher’s colleges and EdD-granting institutions. I’m in a purple county (+38 for Larry Hogan) and it’s an uphill battle against identity politics even here. Moreover, conservatives support the educational status quo, which is at least a known quantity. America of the few countries in the world where minority immigrants have similar upward mobility to natives of the majority ethnic group. The changes liberals are trying to impose on our education risk socializing minority children into the ethnic identity ghettos you see in nearly every other multi-ethnic society. Liberals are going to get the change they want, and we’ll just have to cross our fingers and hope it doesn’t derail the American assimilation engine.
    - tptacek 5y ago
      I'm just saying, you had an interesting thing to say, and you spent one of your most valuable sentences asking me to weigh liberal irrationality against conservative irrationality. I immediately blanked on what it was you were trying to say and had to go read it again. It's just bad writing. I'm not asking you to like liberals. I'm one of them, and I find them frustrating too.

deadmutex 5y ago

:(, so much truth in this post. I really don't understand the math situation -- my fear is that the students in CA public schools will have harder time getting into top colleges because they will lack the opportunity to take more advanced coursework. This is likely going to push more parents to put their kids in private school (if they have the means).

vineyardmike 5y ago
I don't think this a real concern. Frankly, most top colleges prefer to have students re-learn those courses in college, so they won't miss much. Plus, those schools have other metrics to determine "good" high schools besides just the classes taken. The rigor and distribution of students, the quality of essays, the breakdown of standardized tests etc. All that is being missed is students having a harder time in high school.
- dmitrygr 5y ago
  What nonsense is that? I went to UIUC (one of the best for CS) and they were happy to give me credit for all AP classes, and then allowed me to test out of further 2xx and 3xx classes as I chose...

setpatchaddress 5y ago

Yes, progressives really have their collective heads up their asses on SALT. AOC and Liz Warren loving a Republican tax scheme designed to punish blue states is something to behold.

birdyrooster 5y ago

Goodbye! Enjoy complaining somewhere else, the value of living in the bay more than makes up for any of these issues.