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This assumes a uniform global response. Not even the US can get their pandemic under control. There are so many breeding grounds across the world where Covid i

This assumes a uniform global response. Not even the US can get their pandemic under control. There are so many breeding grounds across the world where Covid is completely free to mutate that it doesn't matter if a handful of countries have it figured out. You also have an increasing pushback against measures even in European countries with high vaccination rates. If a high impact variant emerges, it's going to become harder and harder on a political (and even economic) level to contain it.

adventured 5y ago
> Not even the US can get their pandemic under control. That's because the vaccines don't effectively stop the spread of SARS2. This is one of the great lies still being shoveled on the public - despite the facts that prove otherwise. See: Britain has a lot more cases per capita than the US, despite their high vaccination rates and more aggressive lock-down & restrictive measures taken. Or see: the New England states with high vaccination rates and a recent record surge in cases. Or see: Israel's recent epic case surge despite their very high vaccination rate. The vaccines dramatically reduce mortality and that's the primary reason most people should get the jab. There's zero evidence so far that we can actually stop SARS2 via vaccine. It doesn't make sense to be forced to live in bomb shelters forever as eg Australia is doing, that's idiotic and tyrannical. What matters isn't the case counts, it's the number of deaths that matter and Britain's high vaccination rate is doing its job there for example.
- ekidd 5y ago
  > Or see: the New England states with high vaccination rates and a recent record surge in cases. As a resident of New England, I've been expecting a fall surge for a while. In the north, we're all shutting windows and turning on our furnaces at night, which means much worse ventilation. The afternoons are still warm enough to socialize outside, but that will start to change in November. Followed by holiday travel. And we still have towns with low vaccination rates. Our absolute numbers are still fairly low in many places, and we don't have people lined up in the corridors of the local hospitals. > What matters isn't the case counts, it's the number of deaths that matter I actually think that severe illness counts are important, too. I'll make some sacrifices to avoid hospitalization or merely being incapacitated for a couple weeks.
hanselot 5y ago
> Not even the US can get their pandemic under control. That's because the vaccines don't effectively stop the spread of SARS2. This is one of the great lies still being shoveled on the public - despite the facts that prove otherwise. See: Britain has a lot more cases per capita than the US, despite their high vaccination rates and more aggressive lock-down & restrictive measures taken. Or see: the New England states with high vaccination rates and a recent record surge in cases. Or see: Israel's recent epic case surge despite their very high vaccination rate. The vaccines dramatically reduce mortality and that's the primary reason most people should get the jab. There's zero evidence so far that we can actually stop SARS2 via vaccine. It doesn't make sense to be forced to live in bomb shelters forever as eg Australia is doing, that's idiotic and tyrannical. What matters isn't the case counts, it's the number of deaths that matter and Britain's high vaccination rate is doing its job there for example. See India, where prior to introduction of vaccines they were effectively countering the disease. See Sweden, where prior to introduction of vaccines they were effectively countering the disease. See any country where vaccine rates are high, mortality rate soon skyrockets. If you need sources to read data that is available EVERYWHERE you are the problem, and you should take the vaccine, because at least that means in 6months to 3 years you won't be a problem anymore. I have no issue with you taking a vaccine to gain immunity from a disease. But you can't force me to be a part of your experiment. If your vaccine worked, why would I need to take it? Surely it would be me that should be worried, yet here I am, alive, and not infected.

adventured 5y ago

ekidd 5y ago
> Or see: the New England states with high vaccination rates and a recent record surge in cases. As a resident of New England, I've been expecting a fall surge for a while. In the north, we're all shutting windows and turning on our furnaces at night, which means much worse ventilation. The afternoons are still warm enough to socialize outside, but that will start to change in November. Followed by holiday travel. And we still have towns with low vaccination rates. Our absolute numbers are still fairly low in many places, and we don't have people lined up in the corridors of the local hospitals. > What matters isn't the case counts, it's the number of deaths that matter I actually think that severe illness counts are important, too. I'll make some sacrifices to avoid hospitalization or merely being incapacitated for a couple weeks.

hanselot 5y ago

> Not even the US can get their pandemic under control. That's because the vaccines don't effectively stop the spread of SARS2. This is one of the great lies still being shoveled on the public - despite the facts that prove otherwise. See: Britain has a lot more cases per capita than the US, despite their high vaccination rates and more aggressive lock-down & restrictive measures taken. Or see: the New England states with high vaccination rates and a recent record surge in cases. Or see: Israel's recent epic case surge despite their very high vaccination rate. The vaccines dramatically reduce mortality and that's the primary reason most people should get the jab. There's zero evidence so far that we can actually stop SARS2 via vaccine. It doesn't make sense to be forced to live in bomb shelters forever as eg Australia is doing, that's idiotic and tyrannical. What matters isn't the case counts, it's the number of deaths that matter and Britain's high vaccination rate is doing its job there for example. See India, where prior to introduction of vaccines they were effectively countering the disease. See Sweden, where prior to introduction of vaccines they were effectively countering the disease. See any country where vaccine rates are high, mortality rate soon skyrockets. If you need sources to read data that is available EVERYWHERE you are the problem, and you should take the vaccine, because at least that means in 6months to 3 years you won't be a problem anymore. I have no issue with you taking a vaccine to gain immunity from a disease. But you can't force me to be a part of your experiment. If your vaccine worked, why would I need to take it? Surely it would be me that should be worried, yet here I am, alive, and not infected.