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France, Germany and Italy have really disappointed with their heavyhanded approach against those that are not vaccinated. With that said, i think many are stil

France, Germany and Italy have really disappointed with their heavyhanded approach against those that are not vaccinated. With that said, i think many are still a bit cautious after being bombarded with warnings of the Coronavirus for 12 months straight. To me though I'm back to normality and slowly but surely everyone else.

felipellrocha 5y ago
> France, Germany and Italy have really disappointed with their heavyhanded approach against those that are not vaccinated. Disappointed who? The anti-vaxxer community? Good.
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
  Point of clarification, because you're spreading misinformation: being opposed to one specific vaccine type is NOT the same as being an "anti-vaxxer." It will behoove you to be clear on that point.
  - krageon 5y ago
    > misinformation The overlap between the two groups is so large and the justifications so similar that they may as well be the same. It is not useful for clarity, brevity or comprehension to distinguish the two.
    - jcims 5y ago
      This type of generalization is what allows people to bulldoze details and nuance in favor of bright tribal lines. It’s the same psychological shortcut that folks use when they call any social program ‘socialism’. It’s lazy and destructive.
  - irrational 5y ago
    That is exactly what everyone means by anti-vaxxer right now. If you are opposed to the covid vaccine, you are an anti-vaxxer.
    - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
      And if you're blindly supporting what your government muppets are throwing at you in a simulation of competence you are a believer.
      - 4ggr0 5y ago
        Everytime I hear or read what anti-vaxxers have to say, it feels like the person on the other end is a teenager who has watched The Matrix for the first time while having smoked a tad bit too much weed. "THEY control us and manipulate everything, bruh! You're just a sheeple."
        LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
        Dude. Chill! I just like to be the black sheep. Besides that I took the red and the blue pill, seeing the one universal truth, which is is Lila spotted with Lalall. Baa, baa, baa! (Blowing rings of purple haze at you) edit: btw. (·) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer
    - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
      "Everyone is doing it" has always been - and will always be - a terrible reason to do anything. "anti-vaxxer" is too broad of a term. That's like saying anyone who doesn't want to buy a Ford is "anti-car." They're not anti-car, they just don't want a Ford. Almost all the people you call "anti-vaxxers", in fact very much believe vaccines are modern miracles that have reduced or eradicated serious illnesses. Many of them get a flu shot every single year. That's not the behavior of an "anti-vaxxer." "anti-vaxxer" is inaccurate at best, and intentionally derogatory at worst.
baud147258 5y ago
> France has really disappointed with their heavyhanded approach against those that are not vaccinated. well, the only reason I got vaccinated was to be able to go to the restaurant without having to do a covid test beforehand; so maybe the heavyhandeness was warranted?
Valkhyr 5y ago
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atoav 5y ago
If everybody got the damn vaccine the thing would be over much faster. Not getting vaccinated or wearing a mask is an active effort to prolong the existence of a virus that doesn't give a damn about how people rationalize their bad decisions. And I stopped giving a damn about people who defend the metaphorical licking of rats during a plague. I have yet to hear a good rational reason for not getting a vaccine, that isn't vague or hand wavy E.g. quoting some medical reason that turns out to be bullshit when you ask a medical professional. When you point that out to them instead of "great! And I thought I couldn't get the vaccine!" they find the next bullshit reason why they cannot get it, with the final frontier being some defiant stubbornness where "they cannot make me" as if it was the last act of personal freedom they have left to defend: zero practical value, all inside the symbolic domain. Viruses don't care about the symbolic domain. In a fire be the person who gets a bucket of water not the person who keeps explaining why they cannot (or worse: the person who tries to convince others they cannot). Don't be the person who has to be forced by the rest of the village to help putting out the fire (or help preventing it's spread). If you have a valid reason (e.g. no hands to carry buckets) everybody will understand, but "I can't be bothered to do something for the collective, because I am a free individual" is not a valid reason IMO. Not during an emergency. "Oh but it is my gasoline tank on my property so I got to decide what happens with it" — not during a fire. A fire doesn't care about property.
- baud147258 5y ago
  well, considering how the pandemic went, a fire in a village is way more likely to directly impact you, compared to the covid directly impacting you. And it's not as if getting vaccinated prevented you from catching and transmitting the virus
  - krageon 5y ago
    At the height of it I could not kick a rock without hitting someone that had a family member die of COVID. I live in a country with reasonably good healthcare and I would say perfectly acceptable capacity (and I don't interact with a lot of pray-the-sick-away types), so I'm quite curious where you are located that you make such claims.

felipellrocha 5y ago

> France, Germany and Italy have really disappointed with their heavyhanded approach against those that are not vaccinated. Disappointed who? The anti-vaxxer community? Good.

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
Point of clarification, because you're spreading misinformation: being opposed to one specific vaccine type is NOT the same as being an "anti-vaxxer." It will behoove you to be clear on that point.
- krageon 5y ago
  > misinformation The overlap between the two groups is so large and the justifications so similar that they may as well be the same. It is not useful for clarity, brevity or comprehension to distinguish the two.
  - jcims 5y ago
    This type of generalization is what allows people to bulldoze details and nuance in favor of bright tribal lines. It’s the same psychological shortcut that folks use when they call any social program ‘socialism’. It’s lazy and destructive.
- irrational 5y ago
  That is exactly what everyone means by anti-vaxxer right now. If you are opposed to the covid vaccine, you are an anti-vaxxer.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
    And if you're blindly supporting what your government muppets are throwing at you in a simulation of competence you are a believer.
    - 4ggr0 5y ago
      Everytime I hear or read what anti-vaxxers have to say, it feels like the person on the other end is a teenager who has watched The Matrix for the first time while having smoked a tad bit too much weed. "THEY control us and manipulate everything, bruh! You're just a sheeple."
      - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
        Dude. Chill! I just like to be the black sheep. Besides that I took the red and the blue pill, seeing the one universal truth, which is is Lila spotted with Lalall. Baa, baa, baa! (Blowing rings of purple haze at you) edit: btw. (·) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer
  - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
    "Everyone is doing it" has always been - and will always be - a terrible reason to do anything. "anti-vaxxer" is too broad of a term. That's like saying anyone who doesn't want to buy a Ford is "anti-car." They're not anti-car, they just don't want a Ford. Almost all the people you call "anti-vaxxers", in fact very much believe vaccines are modern miracles that have reduced or eradicated serious illnesses. Many of them get a flu shot every single year. That's not the behavior of an "anti-vaxxer." "anti-vaxxer" is inaccurate at best, and intentionally derogatory at worst.

baud147258 5y ago

> France has really disappointed with their heavyhanded approach against those that are not vaccinated. well, the only reason I got vaccinated was to be able to go to the restaurant without having to do a covid test beforehand; so maybe the heavyhandeness was warranted?

Valkhyr 5y ago

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atoav 5y ago

If everybody got the damn vaccine the thing would be over much faster. Not getting vaccinated or wearing a mask is an active effort to prolong the existence of a virus that doesn't give a damn about how people rationalize their bad decisions. And I stopped giving a damn about people who defend the metaphorical licking of rats during a plague. I have yet to hear a good rational reason for not getting a vaccine, that isn't vague or hand wavy E.g. quoting some medical reason that turns out to be bullshit when you ask a medical professional. When you point that out to them instead of "great! And I thought I couldn't get the vaccine!" they find the next bullshit reason why they cannot get it, with the final frontier being some defiant stubbornness where "they cannot make me" as if it was the last act of personal freedom they have left to defend: zero practical value, all inside the symbolic domain. Viruses don't care about the symbolic domain. In a fire be the person who gets a bucket of water not the person who keeps explaining why they cannot (or worse: the person who tries to convince others they cannot). Don't be the person who has to be forced by the rest of the village to help putting out the fire (or help preventing it's spread). If you have a valid reason (e.g. no hands to carry buckets) everybody will understand, but "I can't be bothered to do something for the collective, because I am a free individual" is not a valid reason IMO. Not during an emergency. "Oh but it is my gasoline tank on my property so I got to decide what happens with it" — not during a fire. A fire doesn't care about property.

baud147258 5y ago
well, considering how the pandemic went, a fire in a village is way more likely to directly impact you, compared to the covid directly impacting you. And it's not as if getting vaccinated prevented you from catching and transmitting the virus
- krageon 5y ago
  At the height of it I could not kick a rock without hitting someone that had a family member die of COVID. I live in a country with reasonably good healthcare and I would say perfectly acceptable capacity (and I don't interact with a lot of pray-the-sick-away types), so I'm quite curious where you are located that you make such claims.