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But that it votes on something is significant and often leads to implementation of something similar eventually. And since you know that it does not mean implem

by jahnu 5y ago

But that it votes on something is significant and often leads to implementation of something similar eventually. And since you know that it does not mean implementation and I know this then we both should assume many or enough people know this.

blibble 5y ago
it rarely leads to implementation as the make up of the EP is completely different to that of the Council the Council sets the legislative agenda, and the Council consists of the member states governments similar to how the US senate was before the 17th amendment
- smnrchrds 5y ago
  > it rarely leads to implementation So is the EU in a perpetual state of legislative gridlock?
  - MomoXenosaga 5y ago
    Is the US? https://apnews.com/article/congress-moves-to-avert-partial-government-shutdown-8f5b5b0c6c4cb12af8316ffc0b098771 https://apnews.com/article/congress-moves-to-avert-partial-g... The European Union muddles on through in a very undramatic and ugly fashion, same like every other government.
  - still_grokking 5y ago
    No, it isn't. After "long talks" (maybe there is even money involved, who knows) with the parliament the things that the Council and / or Commission want get implemented. Maybe the parliament is allowed to keep some wording form it's proposals as long as it stays mostly symbolic form the practical point of view. The EU is a "democracy simulation" as we call it. Neither the Council nor the Commission are elected by the EU people but the laws are made by those institutions in practice.
  - blibble 5y ago
    no, the parliament's aims and objectives are simply ignored
    - smnrchrds 5y ago
      Usually in systems where you need A and B to agree to pass a legislation, if A start blocking B's initiatives, B starts blocking A's initiatives in response. If the Council and the Commission always go against the Parliament's will, I expect the Parliament to block their initiatives in return, causing a permanent state of gridlock, until some truce can be reached. If this does not happen in reality, why doesn't it?
      - blibble 5y ago
        it's a multi-party system (dozens of parties) you can create a majority somehow most of the time

by jahnu 5y ago

blibble 5y ago

it rarely leads to implementation as the make up of the EP is completely different to that of the Council the Council sets the legislative agenda, and the Council consists of the member states governments similar to how the US senate was before the 17th amendment

smnrchrds 5y ago
> it rarely leads to implementation So is the EU in a perpetual state of legislative gridlock?
- MomoXenosaga 5y ago
  Is the US? https://apnews.com/article/congress-moves-to-avert-partial-government-shutdown-8f5b5b0c6c4cb12af8316ffc0b098771 https://apnews.com/article/congress-moves-to-avert-partial-g... The European Union muddles on through in a very undramatic and ugly fashion, same like every other government.
- still_grokking 5y ago
  No, it isn't. After "long talks" (maybe there is even money involved, who knows) with the parliament the things that the Council and / or Commission want get implemented. Maybe the parliament is allowed to keep some wording form it's proposals as long as it stays mostly symbolic form the practical point of view. The EU is a "democracy simulation" as we call it. Neither the Council nor the Commission are elected by the EU people but the laws are made by those institutions in practice.
- blibble 5y ago
  no, the parliament's aims and objectives are simply ignored
  - smnrchrds 5y ago
    Usually in systems where you need A and B to agree to pass a legislation, if A start blocking B's initiatives, B starts blocking A's initiatives in response. If the Council and the Commission always go against the Parliament's will, I expect the Parliament to block their initiatives in return, causing a permanent state of gridlock, until some truce can be reached. If this does not happen in reality, why doesn't it?
    - blibble 5y ago
      it's a multi-party system (dozens of parties) you can create a majority somehow most of the time