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These days someone mentioned this: https://medium.com/@keivan/the-day-appget-died-e9a5c96c8b22 https://medium.com/@keivan/the-day-appget-died-e9a5c96c8b22 Tha

These days someone mentioned this: https://medium.com/@keivan/the-day-appget-died-e9a5c96c8b22 https://medium.com/@keivan/the-day-appget-died-e9a5c96c8b22 That said they DO credit him now on the repository. The whole story still feels really bizarre though.

iamcreasy 5y ago
I wonder if the story would end up any differently if AppGet was closed source.
- bombcar 5y ago
  It might have been coverflow'd but is it even (reasonably) possible for something like AppGet to be what it is and be closed source? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_Flow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_Flow
908B64B197 5y ago
This story again? I once interviewed a smart guy from a certain UC across the bay. Still undergrad, he played a lot with Python and wished he could have something similar to pip when doing C/C++. So he wrote himself a "package manager" that could fetch binaries, place header files correctly and add them to his build. Neat little project. That's basically what this guy did. It reads a YAML file and exec() whatever build instruction is in there. The CS102 guy I hired could do it as well. Keivan was brought in by Microsoft for an interview and he didn't get the job. He kept talking about how "he could have patented this" or how it was an "acquihire" but there's nothing new to acquire in there! I mean it's not like he invented package management (NuGet, Chocolatey, Scoop all predate his attempt). But hey, he flunked his interview and got a lot of eyes on his startup thanks to some well placed clickbait on HN...
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- bobthebuilders 5y ago
  Wow, I didn't know Microsoft was that shady. The original story was bad enoguh, but this makes it even worse. So they took the time to get ideas out of him and do the exact same thing he did, when a CS 102 guy could do the same thing when YAML files and exec... wow. I have no other words.
  - still_grokking 5y ago
    We had the shady Microsoft topic just yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28794352 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28794352 I can only repeat myself: Microsoft is Microsoft, whatever they do.
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    > So they took the time to get ideas out of him and do the exact same thing he did No. Both package managers are open-source and share no code. They aren't even written in the same language. [0] [1] It seems the author of AppGet wanted to sell it to Microsoft and Microsoft didn't see anything worth to acquire. He never even spoke to the people who could make the purchasing decision. Then they gave him a regular PM interview and it seems he failed it. [0] https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli [1] https://github.com/appget/appget https://github.com/appget/appget
heyitsme 5y ago
Wow!... if this is true (little reason to think otherwise), then it's completely disheartening. The effort to be honest and upfront with this person would be minimal, and realistically would not even have to change anything from Microsoft's side; after all they are free to develop whatever tools they want.

iamcreasy 5y ago

I wonder if the story would end up any differently if AppGet was closed source.

bombcar 5y ago
It might have been coverflow'd but is it even (reasonably) possible for something like AppGet to be what it is and be closed source? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_Flow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_Flow

908B64B197 5y ago

This story again? I once interviewed a smart guy from a certain UC across the bay. Still undergrad, he played a lot with Python and wished he could have something similar to pip when doing C/C++. So he wrote himself a "package manager" that could fetch binaries, place header files correctly and add them to his build. Neat little project. That's basically what this guy did. It reads a YAML file and exec() whatever build instruction is in there. The CS102 guy I hired could do it as well. Keivan was brought in by Microsoft for an interview and he didn't get the job. He kept talking about how "he could have patented this" or how it was an "acquihire" but there's nothing new to acquire in there! I mean it's not like he invented package management (NuGet, Chocolatey, Scoop all predate his attempt). But hey, he flunked his interview and got a lot of eyes on his startup thanks to some well placed clickbait on HN...

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bobthebuilders 5y ago
Wow, I didn't know Microsoft was that shady. The original story was bad enoguh, but this makes it even worse. So they took the time to get ideas out of him and do the exact same thing he did, when a CS 102 guy could do the same thing when YAML files and exec... wow. I have no other words.
- still_grokking 5y ago
  We had the shady Microsoft topic just yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28794352 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28794352 I can only repeat myself: Microsoft is Microsoft, whatever they do.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  > So they took the time to get ideas out of him and do the exact same thing he did No. Both package managers are open-source and share no code. They aren't even written in the same language. [0] [1] It seems the author of AppGet wanted to sell it to Microsoft and Microsoft didn't see anything worth to acquire. He never even spoke to the people who could make the purchasing decision. Then they gave him a regular PM interview and it seems he failed it. [0] https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli [1] https://github.com/appget/appget https://github.com/appget/appget

heyitsme 5y ago

Wow!... if this is true (little reason to think otherwise), then it's completely disheartening. The effort to be honest and upfront with this person would be minimal, and realistically would not even have to change anything from Microsoft's side; after all they are free to develop whatever tools they want.