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״Shit like this” has led to the world being the most liberal, prosperous and safe it has ever been.
by flyinglizard 5y ago
״Shit like this” has led to the world being the most liberal, prosperous and safe it has ever been.
- rob74 5y agoYeah, at least parts of the world. And referring to "shit like this", some of it (e.g. the Marshall Plan for rebuilding Europe after WW2) has been more successful, but most of it less (e.g. Afghanistan, where the more or less liberal regime which brought some prosperity, although only to a few, collapsed 10 minutes after the US withdrawal, or Iraq, or Vietnam...).
- BBC-vs-neolibs 5y agoThe US decided to keep most of the German police, military, scientists and state organisations intact. The US also decided to "de-Baath" all Iraqi institutions, i.e. doing the exact opposite to what happened in Germany.
- Aeolun 5y agoYeah, my point is that you cannot militarily intervene and think you are done. Hell, even 20 years in Afghanistan wasn’t enough. Staying another 20-40 might have started to make a difference when the old guard starts dying off or grows too old to fight. Britain was in India for 150 years and it was barely enough.
- ajuc 5y agoNah, not really. The problem with colonial forces installing democracy in 3rd world countries is that eventually they leave, and then all the old problems come back, AND the native liberal and progressive movements are completely compromised as traitors. ISIS exists because of USA (and other countries - including my own) involvement in the middle east.
- flyinglizard 5y agoNo no no, I'm not for creating democracy, just for enabling it for those who are ready and willing. Houthis are Iranian proxies which need to be dealt with militarily before they create an environmental disaster (this tanker or bombing Aramco facilities in Saudi Arabia or attacking passing tankers will do that). You won't hear me advocating for democracy anywhere in the Middle East.