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> I assume the current administration could direct the Dept of Defense to make military pilots available to Southwest Yeah just have them switch to a completel

> I assume the current administration could direct the Dept of Defense to make military pilots available to Southwest Yeah just have them switch to a completely different type of aircraft without getting trained or checked out at all, this will definitely fix the problem in short order.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> Yeah just have them switch to a completely different type of aircraft without getting trained or checked out at all Southwest’s fleet is all 737s; is this really a different type from the C-40?
- edoceo 5y ago
  Oh my yes.
  - edoceo 5y ago
    Am I wrong? Those instrument clusters are like Java and JavaScript
- nradov 5y ago
  The military only has a small number of pilots trained on the C-40, and they're needed for actual military operations. Even with basic type familiarity, every airline has it's own unique operating procedures and so new pilots always have to pass an extensive training program including classes, simulator time, and rides with check pilots. This is mandatory for safety. No legitimate airline would take shortcuts there just because of a temporary crew shortage. If a Southwest flight crashed because the Captain and First Officer weren't following identical checklist procedures in an emergency that would be far worse than cancelling a bunch of flights. A fairly high percentage of airline pilots are also part time pilots in the National Guard or Reserves, so they may be simultaneously rated for a certain airliner type as well as a military aircraft. But that doesn't really help for this situation.
- laverya 5y ago
  28 C-40s built, ever [0]. Southwest has 737 737s in service [1]. (also, lol at the coincidental number) There's 91 P-8s [2] in USN service, but still not really enough to make up the shortfall. 165 737NGs delivered in military configurations worldwide, according to [3]. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_C-40_Clipper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_C-40_Clipper 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_fleet#Current_fleet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_fleet#Curre... 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_United_States_military_aircraft#Navy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_United_States_m... 3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_Next_Generation#Orders_and_deliveries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_Next_Generation#Ord...
toomuchtodo 5y ago
I understand you have an axe to grind, as many of your recent posts are anti vaccination in nature. Regardless, public support is robust for the measures being taken to bring the pandemic public health crisis to a conclusion, and with regards to vaccine mandates and terminating those who refuse, so far those actions have been adjudicated as lawful. So, the current administration has to get creative when you have cohorts purposely attempting to subvert public health measures (for whatever benefit they believe there is). I don’t disagree it’s your right to decline a vaccine, but it’s also your employer’s right to mandate it and terminate you if you decline it. I’m unsure why these are controversial points or are heated conversations; this is the natural conclusion of everyone exercising their rights. This isn’t even novel; vaccine requirements have been standard for some time (hepatitis, measles, etc) in schools and workplaces. I ask because I am genuinely curious as someone willingly vaccinated.
- AndrewBissell 5y ago
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  - toomuchtodo 5y ago
    Can you explain employers and schools who previously had vaccine mandates (hepatitis and measles are examples I’ve seen for schools and healthcare workers) and what makes this vaccine different? If the argument is “mandates are wrong”, we’ve had them for over 150 years. If the argument is it’s not safe, its FDA approved and has been administered over a billion times. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccine-mandates-in-schools-arent-new-theyve-been-used-since-1850 https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccine-mandates-in-s... https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/guides-pubs/downloads/vacc_mandates_chptr13.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/guides-pubs/downlo... https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolesc... EDIT: @LurkingPenguin: While this is a good point, the data shows that vaccination protects against an intense infection resulting in the need of ICU and ventilation care (protection having been infected by COVID and recovering from previously does not). https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e3.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e3.htm

dragonwriter 5y ago

> Yeah just have them switch to a completely different type of aircraft without getting trained or checked out at all Southwest’s fleet is all 737s; is this really a different type from the C-40?

edoceo 5y ago
Oh my yes.
- edoceo 5y ago
  Am I wrong? Those instrument clusters are like Java and JavaScript
nradov 5y ago
The military only has a small number of pilots trained on the C-40, and they're needed for actual military operations. Even with basic type familiarity, every airline has it's own unique operating procedures and so new pilots always have to pass an extensive training program including classes, simulator time, and rides with check pilots. This is mandatory for safety. No legitimate airline would take shortcuts there just because of a temporary crew shortage. If a Southwest flight crashed because the Captain and First Officer weren't following identical checklist procedures in an emergency that would be far worse than cancelling a bunch of flights. A fairly high percentage of airline pilots are also part time pilots in the National Guard or Reserves, so they may be simultaneously rated for a certain airliner type as well as a military aircraft. But that doesn't really help for this situation.
laverya 5y ago
28 C-40s built, ever [0]. Southwest has 737 737s in service [1]. (also, lol at the coincidental number) There's 91 P-8s [2] in USN service, but still not really enough to make up the shortfall. 165 737NGs delivered in military configurations worldwide, according to [3]. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_C-40_Clipper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_C-40_Clipper 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_fleet#Current_fleet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_fleet#Curre... 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_United_States_military_aircraft#Navy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_United_States_m... 3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_Next_Generation#Orders_and_deliveries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_Next_Generation#Ord...

toomuchtodo 5y ago

I understand you have an axe to grind, as many of your recent posts are anti vaccination in nature. Regardless, public support is robust for the measures being taken to bring the pandemic public health crisis to a conclusion, and with regards to vaccine mandates and terminating those who refuse, so far those actions have been adjudicated as lawful. So, the current administration has to get creative when you have cohorts purposely attempting to subvert public health measures (for whatever benefit they believe there is). I don’t disagree it’s your right to decline a vaccine, but it’s also your employer’s right to mandate it and terminate you if you decline it. I’m unsure why these are controversial points or are heated conversations; this is the natural conclusion of everyone exercising their rights. This isn’t even novel; vaccine requirements have been standard for some time (hepatitis, measles, etc) in schools and workplaces. I ask because I am genuinely curious as someone willingly vaccinated.

AndrewBissell 5y ago
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- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  Can you explain employers and schools who previously had vaccine mandates (hepatitis and measles are examples I’ve seen for schools and healthcare workers) and what makes this vaccine different? If the argument is “mandates are wrong”, we’ve had them for over 150 years. If the argument is it’s not safe, its FDA approved and has been administered over a billion times. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccine-mandates-in-schools-arent-new-theyve-been-used-since-1850 https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccine-mandates-in-s... https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/guides-pubs/downloads/vacc_mandates_chptr13.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/guides-pubs/downlo... https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolesc... EDIT: @LurkingPenguin: While this is a good point, the data shows that vaccination protects against an intense infection resulting in the need of ICU and ventilation care (protection having been infected by COVID and recovering from previously does not). https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e3.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e3.htm