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ScummVM 2.5 “Twenty years ago today”
- aresant 5y agoThere is a vibrant community releasing “new” classic adventure games in the spirit of the 80s and early 90s style - great resource to keep an eye out is https://adventuregamers.com/ https://adventuregamers.com/
- skymt 5y agoMany of those modern-retro adventures are now playable in ScummVM thanks to the addition of AGS support.
- hlandau 5y agoScummVM is an outstanding project. Originally an interpreter for the LucasArts SCUMM engine games, it has now seemingly become effectively a centralised home for assorted open source game engine reimplementations. I sometimes like to say that the Linux kernel is the world's largest collection of open source drivers, with a decent kernel attached; ScummVM is like that for old video game engines. Really, this is an incredibly valuable thing not just in practical terms for enabling people to play these games on different systems and with open source code, but as I see it this is a significant culture and heritage preservation effort too. Having these open source reimplementations ensures these games remain available to future generations. I also think it's pretty interesting to consider just how many of these engines had to be completely reverse engineered, and the time investment that implies. The effort to develop the engine in the first place probably took multiple people much effort when these games were first developed, and those programmers were paid; reverse engineering is harder and requires more effort and tenacity, and yet we still see a seeming overabundance of fully-functional complete reimplementations. One of the things I find fascinating about this is how the original programmers effectively cause the creation of the subsequent project, and their design decisions determine how successful that project is. The reimplementation project is like a weird "echo" through history, echoing off the original engine, caused by it yet done by wholly separate people, who are reduced to piecing through the original binaries like some act of software archeology, yet are motivated to do so by the merits of the original game. In other words, suppose you wrote a random engine for a company many decades ago, complete with assorted warts, retrospectively questionable design decisions, and kludges that were ultimately put in just to ship on time. It must be pretty weird to find, decades later, that random hobbyists have rebuilt every piece of that architecture, painstakingly replicating every aspect of the original architecture, reproducing it as some verbatim gospel, even if it was something you barely put any thought into at the time.
- rolandog 5y agoBeautifully said! I liked your observation about future enthusiasts poring over code; it reminded me about Thom Holwerda's "WTF's/m" [0] metric for good code and bad code. I try to keep that in mind when writing code with documentation so that I don't end up outsmarting myself writing cryptic one-liners. [0]: https://www.osnews.com/story/19266/wtfsm/ https://www.osnews.com/story/19266/wtfsm/
- aasasd 5y ago> reproducing it as some verbatim gospel, even if it was something you barely put any thought into at the time ‘Bug compatibility’: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug_compatibility https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug_compatibility
- sho_hn 5y agoI can only echo your enthusiasm and passion! I've been following and using ScummVM for nearly all of the two decades I've been involved in the open source community and it's been such a joy to see it grow and scale, and the quality of the conversations on IRC and in the forums. The territory it treads on is an amazing confluence of plain-neat hacking and the noble purpose of preserving these works for the future. What an outstanding pursuit in terms of what the engineering profession is all about - assembling the substrate culture and civilization transpire on. Cheers from the board of the KDE foundation. Incidentally we have a (25th) birthday coming up as well this month. :-)
- flatiron 5y ago> The effort to develop the engine in the first place probably took multiple people much effort when these games were first developed, and those programmers were paid; reverse engineering is harder and requires more effort and tenacity, and yet we still see a seeming overabundance of fully-functional complete reimplementations. The counter point to this is you are reimplementing the solution. The initial implementation was solving a problem. Which means it took a lot of tries before coming to the solution that you don’t have to deal with when reverse engineering
- mattlondon 5y agoI have found myself sometimes spending more time - and getting more enjoyment - out of reverse engineering a game.ornits data files than actually playing the game. It is enjoyable in its own right!
- nix23 5y ago>The Longest Journey Oh YES one of, if not the best adventure game ever!! (HD patches strongly advised) Thanks Residual and ScummVM Devs!!!
- makomk 5y agoThe Longest Journey's original engine is also from an era that makes it a pain in the ass to play on modern machines - new enough there's not really emulators that can run it but old enough to do a bunch of weird stuff with early DirectX that doesn't work so well with modern OSes and drivers. So ScummVM support is going to be very useful to anyone that wants to play it nowadays.
- max_likelihood 5y agoMuch respect to the ScummVM team as they allowed me to play the original "Secret of Monkey Island" after it left my local library! Ironically, I no longer needed the "Dial a Pirate" code-wheel.
- LeoPanthera 5y agoThere’s a switch to un-defeat the copy protection, if you want full nostalgia. You can even use a virtual code wheel here: https://www.oldgames.sk/codewheel/secret-of-monkey-island-dial-a-pirate https://www.oldgames.sk/codewheel/secret-of-monkey-island-di...
- jfroma 5y agoI remember spending a lot of hours playing Little Big Adventure with a friend. I love this, will try it out!
- aasasd 5y ago> Crusader: No Remorse Weird choice for ScummVM. Now, if somebody got a strong itch to remake the MacVenture engine, and I could get through the second Déjà Vu without fumbling with half-baked mobile Mac emulators...
- skymt 5y agoCrusader was built on the engine written for Ultima 8, which is supported as part of the ScummVM project's expansion into CRPGs. MacVenture support has been tinkered with over a couple of GSoC terms. It's not ready but there's interest and a foundation to build on: https://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php?title=MacVenture https://wiki.scummvm.org/index.php?title=MacVenture
- SLWW 5y agoWhy are they announcing support for Grim Fandango? I remember playing that on ScummVM years ago. Maybe I'm reading it wrong.
- skymt 5y agoYou may have played it on ResidualVM, a project that has now been merged into ScummVM.
- Enderboi 5y agoGrim Fandango, EMI etc were all part of 'ResidualVM' - a ScummVM sister project. While it shared some framework, at the time it wasn't considered appropriate or feasible to include 3D games in ScummVM proper - and many of the ScummVM port backends had no capability for 3D functionality (like depth buffers, model rendering, etc) required by those engines. But 20 years later, Residual has been merged back into the main parent ScummvM codebase! This is thanks to both targetted devices being more powerful this generation, and a decision to increase the scope of ScummVM. See - back in the day there was a more strict scope and titles that were not 'pure' 2D point-and-click adventures were generally not eligible or considered. However 'adventure games' are not aways so easily defined, sometimes leading to arguments, debates and disappointment. But in the last few years, the project has gradually widened it's scope and begun to accept contributions to engines that may previously have been rejected (for example: being classified as a 'RPG' instead of an 'Adventure', or having non-traditional elements like FMV or pseudo-3D). ... and that - along with lots of hard work from the engine developers and other contributors - is partially why there are so many new engines and games supported in the massive 20th Anniversary release :D Happy Days! - Ender, a (long) retired former ScummVM co-lead from the early years
- deckarep 5y agoBig shoutout to the ScummVM team for keeping these games alive and well on modern hardware. But did you know they also often times will additionally fix existing bugs in these games. Bugs that are now decades old! These classic titles are now even better to play than when they originally came out.
- winrid 5y agoI was surprised to see Myst 3 in the supported games list. I suppose I shouldn't be though, it's a perfect game to be done mostly with scripting.
- sorenjan 5y agoLudvig Strigeus, the creator of ScummVM, also made µTorrent and was an early employee of Spotify after Daniel Ek, one of Spotify's founders and CEO, bought µTorrent as an acqui-hire. He got 5% of the shares before their IPO and still works there. So that's three impactful programs from the same person.
- LeoPanthera 5y agoIt’s a real shame that μTorrent became adware, but qBitTorrent became a high quality alternative.
- snvzz 5y agoqbittorrent is bloated. The spiritual successor for µtorrent is picotorrent.
- hazza_n_dazza 5y agoThe download file for qbittorrent is half the size of picotorrent? https://www.fosshub.com/qBittorrent.html https://www.fosshub.com/qBittorrent.html
- LeoPanthera 5y agoPicoTorrent is Windows-only.
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- astlouis44 5y agoFor anyone interested, ScummVM has been ported to WebAssembly. Here’s one of my all time favorite LucasArts games, The Curse of Monkey Island in the browser: https://personal-1094.web.app/scummvm.html https://personal-1094.web.app/scummvm.html
- ex3xu 5y agoThanks to the ScummVM team for a truly amazing project. I second the adventure game recommendations people have been listing, and for those with young children I'll add the Living Books series as an amazing set of experiences to enjoy together for early reading exposure. The Tortoise and the Hare [0] and Arthur's Teacher Trouble [1] are absolute masterpieces of kid-friendly humor. [0] https://archive.org/details/TORTOISE1993 https://archive.org/details/TORTOISE1993 [1] https://archive.org/details/LivingBooks-ArthursTeacherTrouble https://archive.org/details/LivingBooks-ArthursTeacherTroubl...
- jose-cl 5y agoday of the tentacle, indiana jones, monkey island... so many classics
- cable2600 5y agoThere used to be a collection of data files that ran under ScrummVM on a torrent site but it got taken down. You can buy the old games on eBay and use DOSBOX to play them or use the data files for ScrummVM.
- prvc 5y agoIs “Twenty years ago today” a reference to something?
- madmoose 5y agoIt is a reference to both the 20th anniversary of ScummVM and the opening text in Maniac Mansion, the first SCUMM game.
- gattilorenz 5y agoThat's probably the reference in this case, but it's also the opening line of "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" by the Beatles, which I suspect might have popularized the sentence? Or is it just a very common idiom in English?
- madmoose 5y agoSgt. Pepper might have inspired Ron Gilbert to use it in Maniac Mansion, but we took it from Maniac Mansion for the 20th anniversary :) I googled the phrase to make sure we quoted Maniac Mansion correctly and that’s when I realized it was probably a Beatles reference originally.
- awill 5y agoGames from this era are easier to play than games from the early 2000s. All thanks to ScummVM. I replayed Toonstruck on an Android tablet a few years ago. Incredible game, and it ran perfectly.
- juangacovas 5y agoAlso remember to look for replaying using Roland MT-32 emulation for enhanced music: some adventure titles had better music and effects with that card, and for some folks it was not easy to have it.
- flatiron 5y agohttps://github.com/dwhinham/mt32-pi https://github.com/dwhinham/mt32-pi
- bni 5y agoI think ScummVM is awesome. But my least favorite thing about it is the fact that it is a "launcher". I would much prefer if it was possible to package a game into a standalone executable. Since ScummVM is not emulation, it is essentially a framework for implementing games, this should be possible?