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This is just standard anti-vax bullshit.

by glogla 5y ago

wizard-beta 5y ago
Not an argument
kybernetyk 5y ago
Why? Please elaborate why you consider this bullshit. I mean making personal decisions based on personal risk is seldom considered "bullshit". Why is it bullshit in this case? Because the TV says so?
- op00to 5y ago
  It’s bullshit because the risk for heart complications is higher if you get COVID than if you get the shot. This is simple math.
  - kybernetyk 5y ago
    But those simple math calculations don’t factor in the chance of getting corona in the first place. 2 years in the pandemic and I only know 3 people who got corona. People act as if it was 100% certain one would get corona.
    - lostmsu 5y ago
      So let's assume you know 10000 people. COVID risk of death is 1 in 100. The chance you'll be next and die is 1 per 1M. As mentioned above the chance of blood clots from the vaccines is about 1 per 40M.
    - nradov 5y ago
      The Delta variant is sufficiently contagious that all of us can expect to be exposed multiple times in our lives. Just like what typically happens with the other endemic coronaviruses. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu... Only a subset of those infected will experience clinically significant symptoms. Probably more than 3 of your acquaintances have had it but didn't even know it, maybe just felt a little tired for a few days.
- glogla 5y ago
  Because if you get needlessly infected, you are almost sure to infect others. You choices impact other people. Framing it as a personal choice is selfish and disingenuous. It is no more personal choice than dumping toxic waste into a river or firing a gun in random direction in public. There are people who legitimately can't get vaccinated for medical reasons - but those are rarely the ones using the personal choice argument, are they?
  - kybernetyk 5y ago
    But vaccinated still spread the virus. So it’s just personal risk to not get vaccinated.

This is just standard anti-vax bullshit.

by glogla 5y ago

This is just standard anti-vax bullshit.

wizard-beta 5y ago

Not an argument

kybernetyk 5y ago

Why? Please elaborate why you consider this bullshit. I mean making personal decisions based on personal risk is seldom considered "bullshit". Why is it bullshit in this case? Because the TV says so?

op00to 5y ago
It’s bullshit because the risk for heart complications is higher if you get COVID than if you get the shot. This is simple math.
- kybernetyk 5y ago
  But those simple math calculations don’t factor in the chance of getting corona in the first place. 2 years in the pandemic and I only know 3 people who got corona. People act as if it was 100% certain one would get corona.
  - lostmsu 5y ago
    So let's assume you know 10000 people. COVID risk of death is 1 in 100. The chance you'll be next and die is 1 per 1M. As mentioned above the chance of blood clots from the vaccines is about 1 per 40M.
  - nradov 5y ago
    The Delta variant is sufficiently contagious that all of us can expect to be exposed multiple times in our lives. Just like what typically happens with the other endemic coronaviruses. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu... Only a subset of those infected will experience clinically significant symptoms. Probably more than 3 of your acquaintances have had it but didn't even know it, maybe just felt a little tired for a few days.
glogla 5y ago
Because if you get needlessly infected, you are almost sure to infect others. You choices impact other people. Framing it as a personal choice is selfish and disingenuous. It is no more personal choice than dumping toxic waste into a river or firing a gun in random direction in public. There are people who legitimately can't get vaccinated for medical reasons - but those are rarely the ones using the personal choice argument, are they?
- kybernetyk 5y ago
  But vaccinated still spread the virus. So it’s just personal risk to not get vaccinated.