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Moved to Germany from the UK. In practical terms, Germany is so far ahead it's not comparable. The quality of life here is better making minimum wage here than
by pasabagi 5y ago
Moved to Germany from the UK.
In practical terms, Germany is so far ahead it's not comparable. The quality of life here is better making minimum wage here than it is if you're on a decent wage in the UK. A lot of the difference is housing - in the UK, you're usually paying a lot of money to live in a shithole. Also, as other commentators have noted, everything is falling apart in the UK, so even if you have money, you can look forward to taking trains that break all the time, driving on roads that have holes in them, etc.
In mainstream cultural terms, a lot of germans don't like foreigners, and are pretty rude if they pick up that you're not german, although a lot of that is modulated by where you're from. That extends to germans who work for the state - the auslanderbehoerde is pretty famous for being generally miserable to deal with. The state's basic policy is 'assimilation', so you're basically expected to leave your culture at the door and become 'German', and the state has a pretty narrow definition of what that means (Oktoberfest, christian religious holidays, slightly dubious history etc), and depending on where you're from, you'll have to do courses on this stuff, which can be pretty depressing.
If you're black, there's a certain level of racially-motivated violence in some places, although I think the basic level of violent street crime compares favourably to the UK - it compares extremely favourably if you're white. Still, because of the aforementioned rudeness thing, friends I've had who migrated from Africa generally have a pretty bad time living here.
Culturally, in the broader sense, Germany is great. The music scene is great here, the art scene, classical music, the food and youth culture etc are all really good, and very welcoming to foreigners. You meet people with a very broad range of views and lifestyles, there are parks and galleries and playgrounds and all sorts of stuff that makes you feel like you're actually living in a 'culture' worth engaging in, not just a bunch of people decompressing after a work-week.
The thing I like most about living in Germany is it's a pretty reasonable country. If you deal with institutions, they'll generally talk to you as a rational human. If you live in a city, the city will generally maintain parks and public spaces because they'll see that as important to the community. Money is set aside for cultural life, youth recreation, sports, etc.
- mdp2021 5y agoThe idea of "assimilation" (which also reminds of some directions taken by France) clashes with some important interpretations of «Culturally, in the broader sense, Germany is great». The idea of having to do courses on "becoming German" is downright creepy. Is it a crisis of identity, or maybe some unclear practical reason?
- pasabagi 5y agoYeah, it is creepy, and you're right, it does clash. What I'm getting at here is there's a dominant culture, which is essentially based on the idea that national unity is important, and that unity comes from people being on the same cultural page. So if you're an immigrant, that's fine, but you have to get with the program and become a normal german, because germany is the nation of the german people, and that's (at this point in time) a cultural grouping. It's a pretty classic european-nation thing, and you're right in pointing out it's there in France - it goes back to the founding ideas of european nation states as a form of organization. There is however, a really vibrant subculture, full of people who believe all sorts of things, and that's big enough that it has some political weight. So you do get a good deal of pushback against the most egregious forms of chauvanism, far more so than you get in the UK.
- bovermyer 5y agoIn your third paragraph you say Germans don't like foreigners, but then in your fifth paragraph you say they're very welcoming to foreigners. What's the context here?
- pasabagi 5y agoDepends on the Germans? It's just more polarized here than where I've lived in the UK. The closest reference point I can think of is the UK in the 80s. There's an active far-right (the AfD got 27% of the vote in Saschen recently) but there's also a lot of people who will bend over backwards to make foreigners feel welcome.
- orwin 5y agoOnly went to Berlin, but i guess there is two different kind of foreigners: tourist/students, and immigrant workers. Also i think the night scene in berlin is quite pro-cultural differences, but its true than when i worked with Universities in (forgot the name, rhineland?), you could tell even immigrants were acting German, it was quite weird.