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The sales pitch for this browser is really well done. What is lacking is information about who made this, and why we should trust their claims. Seems important

The sales pitch for this browser is really well done. What is lacking is information about who made this, and why we should trust their claims. Seems important too me if privacy is the main selling feature.

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jcoder 5y ago
To be fair, the about page says who made it https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#about https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#about
tnorthcutt 5y ago
The about section says: > Orion is created by [Vladimir Prelovac][0], a tech entrepreneur with a track record of executing ambitious ideas that go beyond conventional wisdom. Orion was created in 2019, is bootstrapped by the founder and is being built by a world-wide passionate team. > We are also building a privacy-respecting alternative to Google search, currently in private beta. > If you'd like to know more or get involved, please feel welcome to reach out to vprelovac@kagi.com. [0]: https://vladimir.prelovac.com/ https://vladimir.prelovac.com/
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > Orion is created by [Vladimir Prelovac][0], a tech entrepreneur with a track record of executing ambitious ideas that go beyond conventional wisdom. Orion was created in 2019, is bootstrapped by the founder and is being built by a world-wide passionate team. I have nothing against that guy, but it'd be nice to have more than a promotional self-description. Does he have a good individual reputation (e.g like Raymond Hill)?
  - dymk 5y ago
    I’ve never heard of Raymond Hill, so I think it wouldn’t make much of a difference
    - linux2647 5y ago
      Raymond Hill created the uBlock ad blocker, and now maintains uBlock Origin (https://github.com/gorhill https://github.com/gorhill)
      - jasonlotito 5y ago
        Why is Raymond Hill not working on uBlock anymore? Why is there uBlock and uBlock Origin?
        saagarjha 5y ago
        He stopped working on it and gave it away to someone else, who promptly used it to raise "donations". This led him to decide to fork back the project under the name "uBlock Origin".
        linux2647 5y ago
        Here's a short summary of what went down with links for more info: https://www.reddit.com/r/ublock/comments/32mos6/ublock_vs_ublock_origin/cte0a3n/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ublock/comments/32mos6/ublock_vs_ub...
        hanniabu 5y ago
        Why's donations in quotes?
        simonh 5y ago
        It's contentious. The new owner posted seemingly highly inflated estimates of costs for the project. Another issue is the new owner also removed any reference to the original developer, including in the project's Wikipedia page.
  - jasonlotito 5y ago
    > it'd be nice to have more than a promotional self-description Literally linked in the description provided to you: https://vladimir.prelovac.com https://vladimir.prelovac.com This is being spoonfed information. > Does he have a good individual reputation (e.g like Raymond Hill)? Better.
dmitriid 5y ago
"Kagi - Better Web for our Children" Well... It's a pass from me. Anything claiming something is "think of the children" is at best facetious.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > "Kagi - Better Web for our Children" > Well... It's a pass from me. Anything claiming something is "think of the children" is at best facetious. That's taking it too far. It's really good to "think of the children," it's just that we have to be mindful of when that's used as a smokescreen to distract from a particular policy's highly objectionable consequences. That kind of expression also has multiple senses (e.g. "children are vulnerable and must be protected" and "we should build a better future for our children to enjoy"). The people behind this browser may not have English as a first language, so they may not be able to precisely tailor their language to English very online sensibilities.
  - freediver 5y ago
    Thanks, yes, that was the intent - and I realize it did not turn out to sound in the best way. I thought we'll have time to figure it out before we launch but it did end up getting featured on HN unexpectedly. The core of the idea is a 'more humane web' and we will be adjusting the messaging accordingly in the future.
    - dmitriid 5y ago
      I like "more humane web". Humane part of the web has really disappeared in the past decade or so.
- solarkraft 5y ago
  I was also thrown off by this line, but I interpret it as intending to improve the internet not through censorship, but promoting freedom (a long way into the future).
- krrrh 5y ago
  It seems a lot closer to “Wu-Tang is for the children!” The project is very pro-privacy.

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jcoder 5y ago

To be fair, the about page says who made it https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#about https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#about

tnorthcutt 5y ago

The about section says: > Orion is created by [Vladimir Prelovac][0], a tech entrepreneur with a track record of executing ambitious ideas that go beyond conventional wisdom. Orion was created in 2019, is bootstrapped by the founder and is being built by a world-wide passionate team. > We are also building a privacy-respecting alternative to Google search, currently in private beta. > If you'd like to know more or get involved, please feel welcome to reach out to vprelovac@kagi.com. [0]: https://vladimir.prelovac.com/ https://vladimir.prelovac.com/

tablespoon 5y ago
> Orion is created by [Vladimir Prelovac][0], a tech entrepreneur with a track record of executing ambitious ideas that go beyond conventional wisdom. Orion was created in 2019, is bootstrapped by the founder and is being built by a world-wide passionate team. I have nothing against that guy, but it'd be nice to have more than a promotional self-description. Does he have a good individual reputation (e.g like Raymond Hill)?
- dymk 5y ago
  I’ve never heard of Raymond Hill, so I think it wouldn’t make much of a difference
  - linux2647 5y ago
    Raymond Hill created the uBlock ad blocker, and now maintains uBlock Origin (https://github.com/gorhill https://github.com/gorhill)
    - jasonlotito 5y ago
      Why is Raymond Hill not working on uBlock anymore? Why is there uBlock and uBlock Origin?
      - saagarjha 5y ago
        He stopped working on it and gave it away to someone else, who promptly used it to raise "donations". This led him to decide to fork back the project under the name "uBlock Origin".
        linux2647 5y ago
        Here's a short summary of what went down with links for more info: https://www.reddit.com/r/ublock/comments/32mos6/ublock_vs_ublock_origin/cte0a3n/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ublock/comments/32mos6/ublock_vs_ub...
        hanniabu 5y ago
        Why's donations in quotes?
        simonh 5y ago
        It's contentious. The new owner posted seemingly highly inflated estimates of costs for the project. Another issue is the new owner also removed any reference to the original developer, including in the project's Wikipedia page.
- jasonlotito 5y ago
  > it'd be nice to have more than a promotional self-description Literally linked in the description provided to you: https://vladimir.prelovac.com https://vladimir.prelovac.com This is being spoonfed information. > Does he have a good individual reputation (e.g like Raymond Hill)? Better.

dmitriid 5y ago

"Kagi - Better Web for our Children" Well... It's a pass from me. Anything claiming something is "think of the children" is at best facetious.

tablespoon 5y ago
> "Kagi - Better Web for our Children" > Well... It's a pass from me. Anything claiming something is "think of the children" is at best facetious. That's taking it too far. It's really good to "think of the children," it's just that we have to be mindful of when that's used as a smokescreen to distract from a particular policy's highly objectionable consequences. That kind of expression also has multiple senses (e.g. "children are vulnerable and must be protected" and "we should build a better future for our children to enjoy"). The people behind this browser may not have English as a first language, so they may not be able to precisely tailor their language to English very online sensibilities.
- freediver 5y ago
  Thanks, yes, that was the intent - and I realize it did not turn out to sound in the best way. I thought we'll have time to figure it out before we launch but it did end up getting featured on HN unexpectedly. The core of the idea is a 'more humane web' and we will be adjusting the messaging accordingly in the future.
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    I like "more humane web". Humane part of the web has really disappeared in the past decade or so.
solarkraft 5y ago
I was also thrown off by this line, but I interpret it as intending to improve the internet not through censorship, but promoting freedom (a long way into the future).
krrrh 5y ago
It seems a lot closer to “Wu-Tang is for the children!” The project is very pro-privacy.