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The real thing about the asians is: There is a whole narrative that people are equal and have same capabilities. Anyone can be a sport start if trains enough

The real thing about the asians is: There is a whole narrative that people are equal and have same capabilities. Anyone can be a sport start if trains enough or a super scientist if study enough. Then looking at statistics it is not true. The same people with cognitive dissonance claim that because social factors, etc. Usually whites get a better treatment thus because and only because of that they have better representation in certain areas (only certain). Then a lot of money is poured in programs to fix that. Because the narrative says all people are equal. The opposing narrative says that IQ is genetic and it reflects on career that needs IQ so it really does not matter it will always reflect that. The two narratives are fighting: social-economics vs genetics and if its a fair fight. Came the asians. Poor, non-english skills, living in bad neighborhoods. They start getting advanced classes more than white. They advance more. Then looking at statistics we can see Asians have higher IQ and looking on Advanced programs we have Asian as the largest, Whites as second and others as third. Bang one narrative suffers a blow. Then they start changing rules. "Asians are White". "We need to make it more equal" meaning removing asians from programs. While these boths narrative fight we as whole suffer. As I want the best players on Soccer I want the best players on Medical field or Math. I really don't care if the whole Math department is Asian. I care about the results to the society.

zozbot234 5y ago
It's not I.Q., it's culture. Asians have a significant cultural focus on education. But then again so do a number of Black African minorities like the Igbo, Ashanti and Yoruba. So even "race" is a complete red herring.
- fdanconia21 5y ago
  Culture, 100% is the reason. But I feel the real problem here is how we CANNOT talk about the negative effects of culture. Growing up black/Mexican I was made fun of by blacks and Mexicans for being smart, acting white etc. and I know I'm not the only one who experienced this. Intelligence was not valued in black culture when I was growing up and I'd argue is still not.
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  - ziml77 5y ago
    I've heard this before about black culture (hadn't about Mexican culture though) and it's quite sad. I could be way off the mark here, but to me it seems like the reason for this is that if one has been blaming external factors for all of their failings, it doesn't feel good to see someone with the exact same limitations pushing ahead. It hurts the excuse that one has been making to oneself about what the reasons for not being successful are. But as embarrassing as it might feel to have others surpass oneself, dragging others down is never a good way to handle it. Fixing that really requires a culture shift and I'm not sure that any amount of changes from the outside can have a notable impact (if anything, pushing too hard for change from the outside can make people stick harder to their ways of thinking).
darthvoldemort 5y ago
Asians are not genetically more intelligent than other races. If this were the case, Asia would be more of a powerhouse than just the "factory workers of the world". Only a small amount of innovation is coming out of Asia compared to the US. Asians in the US are more motivated to study, it's the culture. It doesn't take a lot of dedication to studying to get a major advantage over those that don't study as hard.
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- disambiguation 5y ago
  to play devils advocate, humans have been the most intelligent species for a long time, but haven't always been the dominant one. further, we shouldn't assume the "most intelligent" rise to the top in terms of hegemony and leadership ex. Trump and our world governments in general.
- maccolgan 5y ago
  >Only a small amount of innovation is coming out of Asia compared to the US This is a meaningless claim, and also the fact that you are hardly exposed to the innovation that Asia brings to the table, only US. (Note what website you are writing this on)
- dennis_jeeves 5y ago
  >Asians are not genetically more intelligent than other races. The mean IQ is the highest but the tails of the bell curve are probably extended in the 'whites'. The upper end of the tail matters a lot when it comes to innovations. Then there is the innate behavioral component of non-conformism which is more pronounced in 'whites'.
- rafale 5y ago
  China used to be the first world power and economy a few hundred years ago. And they are slowly but surely reclaiming that title.
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zozbot234 5y ago

It's not I.Q., it's culture. Asians have a significant cultural focus on education. But then again so do a number of Black African minorities like the Igbo, Ashanti and Yoruba. So even "race" is a complete red herring.

fdanconia21 5y ago
Culture, 100% is the reason. But I feel the real problem here is how we CANNOT talk about the negative effects of culture. Growing up black/Mexican I was made fun of by blacks and Mexicans for being smart, acting white etc. and I know I'm not the only one who experienced this. Intelligence was not valued in black culture when I was growing up and I'd argue is still not.
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- ziml77 5y ago
  I've heard this before about black culture (hadn't about Mexican culture though) and it's quite sad. I could be way off the mark here, but to me it seems like the reason for this is that if one has been blaming external factors for all of their failings, it doesn't feel good to see someone with the exact same limitations pushing ahead. It hurts the excuse that one has been making to oneself about what the reasons for not being successful are. But as embarrassing as it might feel to have others surpass oneself, dragging others down is never a good way to handle it. Fixing that really requires a culture shift and I'm not sure that any amount of changes from the outside can have a notable impact (if anything, pushing too hard for change from the outside can make people stick harder to their ways of thinking).

darthvoldemort 5y ago

Asians are not genetically more intelligent than other races. If this were the case, Asia would be more of a powerhouse than just the "factory workers of the world". Only a small amount of innovation is coming out of Asia compared to the US. Asians in the US are more motivated to study, it's the culture. It doesn't take a lot of dedication to studying to get a major advantage over those that don't study as hard.

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disambiguation 5y ago
to play devils advocate, humans have been the most intelligent species for a long time, but haven't always been the dominant one. further, we shouldn't assume the "most intelligent" rise to the top in terms of hegemony and leadership ex. Trump and our world governments in general.
maccolgan 5y ago
>Only a small amount of innovation is coming out of Asia compared to the US This is a meaningless claim, and also the fact that you are hardly exposed to the innovation that Asia brings to the table, only US. (Note what website you are writing this on)
dennis_jeeves 5y ago
>Asians are not genetically more intelligent than other races. The mean IQ is the highest but the tails of the bell curve are probably extended in the 'whites'. The upper end of the tail matters a lot when it comes to innovations. Then there is the innate behavioral component of non-conformism which is more pronounced in 'whites'.
rafale 5y ago
China used to be the first world power and economy a few hundred years ago. And they are slowly but surely reclaiming that title.
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