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If Joeys Pizza is only available on facebook then how do non-FB users find out about it? I dont have FB and anytime someone sends me a FB link I get a sign up p

If Joeys Pizza is only available on facebook then how do non-FB users find out about it? I dont have FB and anytime someone sends me a FB link I get a sign up page and no way to view what is being sent without signing up and logging in. Assuming everyone has FB is part of the problem. Joeys Pizza doesnt need anything other than a static page with a menu and phone number/address.

mixedCase 5y ago
So they went from zero Internet presence to "almost everyone". All without paying a dime and from an interface that grandma could use. They do not understand what a static page is. They might not even know the difference between a Facebook page and an actual web page, to them it's still "you can find us on the google". If Facebook shuts down tomorrow or everyone suddenly starts thinking that it's evil enough to stop using, Joey's Pizza is more likely than not to go to yet another centralized service just like Facebook. You just can't beat free and easy with the open web.
- qwerty456127 5y ago
  > They might not even know the difference between a Facebook page and an actual web page Yes, this is a problem. I have never met such people though, but I believe they exist. > You just can't beat free and easy with the open web. You can make free, easy and open without Facebook. It's far from impossible to make a nice app which would let you choose a template, some customizations (way more flexible and probably even easier than Facebook at the same time) and put a website on any dirt-cheap shared PHP hosting which supports FTP, SFTP or Git. I could make it myself if I had some time to spare, people would just have to sign-up at GitHub, click and get a page there, and even a QR code to put on their door/cards :-). But even if I made it I doubt many people are going to use it - Facebook is too popular already and it also provides them with an easy way to advertise. Any (or almost any, perhaps really poor governments exist, I dunno) government can also easily afford to contract a shared hosting provider to give every citizen and every small business a simple web site. This would be a win for the government as they would hugely improve their nation digital independence this way.
- selfhoster11 5y ago
  They should have "paid a dime" to establish a web presence. Fiverr and similar sites are widely available. I'd be surprised if one couldn't get a "business card" minimal web presence for $25+several $/year thereafter. After a certain point, a business must switch from a "graphics design is my passion" style logo to something inexpensive designed by a (semi-)professional to be taken seriously. Why is web presence any different?
UncleMeat 5y ago
A static website can't be updated trivially with recent news or specials. It also won't have things show up automatically in front of the eyeballs of people who have previously engaged with that website.
comeonseriously 5y ago
You can Google Joey's Pizza and their phone number is listed right there. Also, someone helpfully posted an image of the menu for you, just click images in Google search.
dfxm12 5y ago
When I moved, I found my new pizza places (all local restaurants really, plus my mechanic, where I get my hair done, etc.) by walking around, word of mouth from my neighbors and guys putting menus around my mailbox. Whether these places are on the web anywhere, let alone Facebook, probably has just a small effect of people being able to find them. I mean, if Facebook didn't exist, people would still be able to find them.
marcosdumay 5y ago
I have recently given up on buying food from plenty of places that only supported platforms I wasn't on. Looks like it was a trendy thing to hop into a platform and turn every other channel off until recently. The worst that I've seen was at the start of the pandemics. But at least around here, the trend seems to have completely reversed. On the last few months I haven't find any place doing it.
RandallBrown 5y ago
You're telling me this link doesn't work for you? https://www.facebook.com/lilwoodysseattle/ https://www.facebook.com/lilwoodysseattle/ It works fine for me without being logged in to Facebook.
- celticninja 5y ago
  Top third of a page has a login/sign-up section. Which means what I'm looking for isn't immediately visible (phone number/menu). And having been to FB and had issues before I no longer longer even click the links. To be honest I can't remember the last time I saw a FB link in my Google search results, it's usually a link someone has sent me

mixedCase 5y ago

So they went from zero Internet presence to "almost everyone". All without paying a dime and from an interface that grandma could use. They do not understand what a static page is. They might not even know the difference between a Facebook page and an actual web page, to them it's still "you can find us on the google". If Facebook shuts down tomorrow or everyone suddenly starts thinking that it's evil enough to stop using, Joey's Pizza is more likely than not to go to yet another centralized service just like Facebook. You just can't beat free and easy with the open web.

qwerty456127 5y ago
> They might not even know the difference between a Facebook page and an actual web page Yes, this is a problem. I have never met such people though, but I believe they exist. > You just can't beat free and easy with the open web. You can make free, easy and open without Facebook. It's far from impossible to make a nice app which would let you choose a template, some customizations (way more flexible and probably even easier than Facebook at the same time) and put a website on any dirt-cheap shared PHP hosting which supports FTP, SFTP or Git. I could make it myself if I had some time to spare, people would just have to sign-up at GitHub, click and get a page there, and even a QR code to put on their door/cards :-). But even if I made it I doubt many people are going to use it - Facebook is too popular already and it also provides them with an easy way to advertise. Any (or almost any, perhaps really poor governments exist, I dunno) government can also easily afford to contract a shared hosting provider to give every citizen and every small business a simple web site. This would be a win for the government as they would hugely improve their nation digital independence this way.
selfhoster11 5y ago
They should have "paid a dime" to establish a web presence. Fiverr and similar sites are widely available. I'd be surprised if one couldn't get a "business card" minimal web presence for $25+several $/year thereafter. After a certain point, a business must switch from a "graphics design is my passion" style logo to something inexpensive designed by a (semi-)professional to be taken seriously. Why is web presence any different?

UncleMeat 5y ago

A static website can't be updated trivially with recent news or specials. It also won't have things show up automatically in front of the eyeballs of people who have previously engaged with that website.

comeonseriously 5y ago

You can Google Joey's Pizza and their phone number is listed right there. Also, someone helpfully posted an image of the menu for you, just click images in Google search.

dfxm12 5y ago

When I moved, I found my new pizza places (all local restaurants really, plus my mechanic, where I get my hair done, etc.) by walking around, word of mouth from my neighbors and guys putting menus around my mailbox. Whether these places are on the web anywhere, let alone Facebook, probably has just a small effect of people being able to find them. I mean, if Facebook didn't exist, people would still be able to find them.

marcosdumay 5y ago

I have recently given up on buying food from plenty of places that only supported platforms I wasn't on. Looks like it was a trendy thing to hop into a platform and turn every other channel off until recently. The worst that I've seen was at the start of the pandemics. But at least around here, the trend seems to have completely reversed. On the last few months I haven't find any place doing it.

RandallBrown 5y ago

You're telling me this link doesn't work for you? https://www.facebook.com/lilwoodysseattle/ https://www.facebook.com/lilwoodysseattle/ It works fine for me without being logged in to Facebook.

celticninja 5y ago
Top third of a page has a login/sign-up section. Which means what I'm looking for isn't immediately visible (phone number/menu). And having been to FB and had issues before I no longer longer even click the links. To be honest I can't remember the last time I saw a FB link in my Google search results, it's usually a link someone has sent me