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All of this tech can also be used for good. They're introducing that new Wifi standard because they claim it can help monitor elderly people's heart rates. Surv

All of this tech can also be used for good. They're introducing that new Wifi standard because they claim it can help monitor elderly people's heart rates. Surveillance cameras are there against street crime and they scan our private data in the cloud to prevent child pornography. Or take a look at this pilot project in China: https://old.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/q32799/because_ofcourse https://old.reddit.com/r/ABoringDystopia/comments/q32799/bec... Somehow the idea of autonomous winged cameras flying around all over the place does not make me feel safe.

neither_color 5y ago
It's interesting how they sell this over there vs in the west. In the west you get very ominous, 1984 panopticon connotations whenever cameras are introduced. You never see this back and forth dialogue between your friendly overlords and the people being watched.
EGreg 5y ago
No need for autonomous winged cameras, even A network of tiny cameras paired with wifi, can identify everyone all the time. You also carry your phone on you and now with Apple’s latest improvements it won’t really be “off” when you turn it off. They can hear through windows, lip read, and anything else. All that’s missing is a database that will cross compile all this information to reconstruct everywhere youwere and everything you’ve been doing, and your health characteristics at every moment. From there it’s pretty trivial AI to make sure to do precrime and nip “undesirable” gatherings or movements in the bud before they have a chance to take root. Ironically, the one place you MAY have privacy would be end to end encryptednetworks online.
- njarboe 5y ago
  "All that’s missing is a database..." Did you forget about this[1]? [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center
  - seanw444 5y ago
    Every time I drive past this place, I get an uneasy feeling. An organization I thoroughly detest, setting up shop with one of the largest data centers, right in my home region.
Dylan16807 5y ago
What wifi standard is that? I see a couple papers about how you could use wifi as radar to measure that among other things, but not much else.
- trompetenaccoun 5y ago
  802.11bf https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/31/wifi_devices_monitoring/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/31/wifi_devices_monitori... The more you look into it the more messed up it gets. Complete with a Huawei guy chairing the group developing it.

neither_color 5y ago

It's interesting how they sell this over there vs in the west. In the west you get very ominous, 1984 panopticon connotations whenever cameras are introduced. You never see this back and forth dialogue between your friendly overlords and the people being watched.

EGreg 5y ago

No need for autonomous winged cameras, even A network of tiny cameras paired with wifi, can identify everyone all the time. You also carry your phone on you and now with Apple’s latest improvements it won’t really be “off” when you turn it off. They can hear through windows, lip read, and anything else. All that’s missing is a database that will cross compile all this information to reconstruct everywhere youwere and everything you’ve been doing, and your health characteristics at every moment. From there it’s pretty trivial AI to make sure to do precrime and nip “undesirable” gatherings or movements in the bud before they have a chance to take root. Ironically, the one place you MAY have privacy would be end to end encryptednetworks online.

njarboe 5y ago
"All that’s missing is a database..." Did you forget about this[1]? [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center
- seanw444 5y ago
  Every time I drive past this place, I get an uneasy feeling. An organization I thoroughly detest, setting up shop with one of the largest data centers, right in my home region.

Dylan16807 5y ago

What wifi standard is that? I see a couple papers about how you could use wifi as radar to measure that among other things, but not much else.

trompetenaccoun 5y ago
802.11bf https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/31/wifi_devices_monitoring/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/31/wifi_devices_monitori... The more you look into it the more messed up it gets. Complete with a Huawei guy chairing the group developing it.