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What's the threshold for denialism? If I think climate change is man made but the threat is probably overblown until manhattan real estate prices start to come

by boppo1 5y ago

What's the threshold for denialism? If I think climate change is man made but the threat is probably overblown until manhattan real estate prices start to come down, am I a denier?

xqcgrek2 5y ago
The threshold is whatever Google thinks it is, or rather, whatever the panel of 20-somethings communications or sociology BAs they've hired to mod their platform think it is.
- weakfish 5y ago
  I agree, but you're edging on strawman there.
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version_five 5y ago
That's usually the argument against censorship. You may have noticed though that in the last couple years we have moved into a regime of information control where a loud group would rather we only have access to one narrative about things. In this case, it seems more of a commercial decision, but as another poster pointed out, you'd think advertisers could just opt out of being opposite certain content. Currently as an advertiser, do you get any choice? What about videos about drug use or medical advice or whatever that I imagine all advertisers don't necessarily want to be associated with?
- SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
  There are some things where advertisers do just get an opt-out, but Youtube's existing content policies have a blanket prohibition against "harmful health or medical claims" with no advertiser choice available. (https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6162278 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6162278, "Harmful or dangerous acts" section)
nemo44x 5y ago
I wonder too. What if you believe and have models that say: 1) yes CO2 warms the atmosphere. This is reproducible. 2) the climate will warm. 3) but it doesn’t really matter according to these particular models. It turns out there are climatologists that have models they interpret this way. Are they banned? Is this denialism? Do you have to agree it’s a “crisis” or can you agree it’s happening but it doesn’t make a big difference
- otabdeveloper4 5y ago
  > yes CO2 warms the atmosphere. This is reproducible Sorry, but we don't have a control group Earth to test this hypothesis. (Would be nice, but...)
  - ryathal 5y ago
    You can easily reproduce that an atmosphere higher in CO2 gets warmer without having a second Earth, you don't need a full planet to test a single atmospheric effect. What you can't do is quantify that to a meaningful measure in the context of Earth. We have no way of knowing if X more CO2 will cause Y warming, or if 2X CO2 will cause 2Y warming or 10Y or .5Y. We can be very certain tat more CO2 means warmer, but how much or how bad isn't clear.
    - otabdeveloper4 5y ago
      > you don't need a full planet to test a single atmospheric effect Yes, you absolutely 100 percent do. The atmpsphere is a complex, non-stable systems with feedback loops. It does not reduce to a sum total of atmospheric effects.
- darkhorn 5y ago
  > It turns out there are climatologists that have models they interpret this way. Won't be a problem when AI starts understanding scientific papers.
- visarga 5y ago
  Just can't monetize the videos, not banned.

by boppo1 5y ago

What's the threshold for denialism? If I think climate change is man made but the threat is probably overblown until manhattan real estate prices start to come down, am I a denier?

xqcgrek2 5y ago

The threshold is whatever Google thinks it is, or rather, whatever the panel of 20-somethings communications or sociology BAs they've hired to mod their platform think it is.

weakfish 5y ago
I agree, but you're edging on strawman there.

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version_five 5y ago

That's usually the argument against censorship. You may have noticed though that in the last couple years we have moved into a regime of information control where a loud group would rather we only have access to one narrative about things. In this case, it seems more of a commercial decision, but as another poster pointed out, you'd think advertisers could just opt out of being opposite certain content. Currently as an advertiser, do you get any choice? What about videos about drug use or medical advice or whatever that I imagine all advertisers don't necessarily want to be associated with?

SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
There are some things where advertisers do just get an opt-out, but Youtube's existing content policies have a blanket prohibition against "harmful health or medical claims" with no advertiser choice available. (https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6162278 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6162278, "Harmful or dangerous acts" section)

nemo44x 5y ago

I wonder too. What if you believe and have models that say: 1) yes CO2 warms the atmosphere. This is reproducible. 2) the climate will warm. 3) but it doesn’t really matter according to these particular models. It turns out there are climatologists that have models they interpret this way. Are they banned? Is this denialism? Do you have to agree it’s a “crisis” or can you agree it’s happening but it doesn’t make a big difference

otabdeveloper4 5y ago
> yes CO2 warms the atmosphere. This is reproducible Sorry, but we don't have a control group Earth to test this hypothesis. (Would be nice, but...)
- ryathal 5y ago
  You can easily reproduce that an atmosphere higher in CO2 gets warmer without having a second Earth, you don't need a full planet to test a single atmospheric effect. What you can't do is quantify that to a meaningful measure in the context of Earth. We have no way of knowing if X more CO2 will cause Y warming, or if 2X CO2 will cause 2Y warming or 10Y or .5Y. We can be very certain tat more CO2 means warmer, but how much or how bad isn't clear.
  - otabdeveloper4 5y ago
    > you don't need a full planet to test a single atmospheric effect Yes, you absolutely 100 percent do. The atmpsphere is a complex, non-stable systems with feedback loops. It does not reduce to a sum total of atmospheric effects.
darkhorn 5y ago
> It turns out there are climatologists that have models they interpret this way. Won't be a problem when AI starts understanding scientific papers.
visarga 5y ago
Just can't monetize the videos, not banned.