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https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/ontario-now-recommending-against-moderna-vaccine-for-men-18-24-years-old https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/ontario-n

https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/ontario-now-recommending-against-moderna-vaccine-for-men-18-24-years-old https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/ontario-now-recommend... "Ontario now recommending against Moderna vaccine for men 18-24 years old...This comes after public health officials determined there is a 1 in 5,000 risk of myocarditis — a form of heart inflammation — following a second dose of the Moderna vaccine."

vkou 5y ago
Which is, by the way, still multiple orders of magnitude lower than the risk of myocarditis from catching COVID.
- RustyRussell 5y ago
  Can you provide data? Here's the weekly Ontario report on vaccine side effects: at the end is the myocarditis/pericarditis breakdown: https://www.publichealthontario.ca/en/health-topics/immunization/vaccine-safety https://www.publichealthontario.ca/en/health-topics/immuniza...
  - vkou 5y ago
    > Among patients with COVID-19, the risk for myocarditis was higher among males (0.187%) than among females (0.109%) and was highest among adults aged ≥75 years (0.238%), 65–74 years (0.186%), and 50–64 years (0.155%) and among children aged <16 years (0.133%). > In adjusted analyses, patients with COVID-19 had, on average, 15.7 (95% CI = 14.1–17.2) times the risk for myocarditis compared with patients without COVID-19; Okay, so it's 'just' an order of magnitude higher. Unfortunately, myocarditis is one of the least serious side effects of COVID. If you have a choice between a vaccine that offers 95% protection against COVID, and a 1 in 5000 chance of myocarditis, and one that offers 90% protection against COVID, and a zero chance of myocarditis, you're better off taking the former. You're also far better off taking either one, compared to being unvaccinated. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm
    - blub 5y ago
      The decision depends on country, pandemic course, mitigations in place and personal risk. Making general claims regarding vaccination is spreading misinformation. Now you've already been caught making false claims once, the decent thing to do would be to stop being so cocksure and apologize, not dig in.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  That is an unacceptable high risk in my opinion if the numbers are correct. What is certainly strange is the numbers differentiate so heavily.
  - vkou 5y ago
    If that risk is unacceptably high, then getting COVID must be an unacceptably higher risk.

vkou 5y ago

Which is, by the way, still multiple orders of magnitude lower than the risk of myocarditis from catching COVID.

RustyRussell 5y ago
Can you provide data? Here's the weekly Ontario report on vaccine side effects: at the end is the myocarditis/pericarditis breakdown: https://www.publichealthontario.ca/en/health-topics/immunization/vaccine-safety https://www.publichealthontario.ca/en/health-topics/immuniza...
- vkou 5y ago
  > Among patients with COVID-19, the risk for myocarditis was higher among males (0.187%) than among females (0.109%) and was highest among adults aged ≥75 years (0.238%), 65–74 years (0.186%), and 50–64 years (0.155%) and among children aged <16 years (0.133%). > In adjusted analyses, patients with COVID-19 had, on average, 15.7 (95% CI = 14.1–17.2) times the risk for myocarditis compared with patients without COVID-19; Okay, so it's 'just' an order of magnitude higher. Unfortunately, myocarditis is one of the least serious side effects of COVID. If you have a choice between a vaccine that offers 95% protection against COVID, and a 1 in 5000 chance of myocarditis, and one that offers 90% protection against COVID, and a zero chance of myocarditis, you're better off taking the former. You're also far better off taking either one, compared to being unvaccinated. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm
  - blub 5y ago
    The decision depends on country, pandemic course, mitigations in place and personal risk. Making general claims regarding vaccination is spreading misinformation. Now you've already been caught making false claims once, the decent thing to do would be to stop being so cocksure and apologize, not dig in.
raxxorrax 5y ago
That is an unacceptable high risk in my opinion if the numbers are correct. What is certainly strange is the numbers differentiate so heavily.
- vkou 5y ago
  If that risk is unacceptably high, then getting COVID must be an unacceptably higher risk.