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Trying not to be a Tesl fanboy, but they have a nice graph showing the number of auto pilot complaints but fail to mention if they normalized for the number of

by gleenn 5y ago

Trying not to be a Tesl fanboy, but they have a nice graph showing the number of auto pilot complaints but fail to mention if they normalized for the number of cars on the road (with autopilot) of that brand. Maybe there are a ton of Tesla complaints because they have way more cars on the road? What's the percentage? I guess we'll never know. Not great reporting.

queuep 5y ago
Not sure about the US but I can’t believe there’s more Tesla’s than Audi’s on the road in the U.S? Edit: oh there is, that’s quite cool honestly. https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2021-us-vehicle-sales-figures-by-brand/ https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2021-us-vehicle-sales-figures-...
- ahahahahah 5y ago
  Are you somehow under the impression that everyone is driving at most a one year old car?
lukyanovic 5y ago
As far as I know all new model luxury cars like Audi and Mercedes come with automatic braking for frontal impacts. So considering the number of Mercedes sold in the last few years, I think it's safe to say there are more of them than Teslas.
- nradov 5y ago
  Automatic braking has been a common feature even in non-luxury vehicles since at least 2018.
  - SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
    Yeah, once the Toyota Corolla has something, you can pretty much assume it's just standard now.
Someone 5y ago
FTA: “The rate of complaints about Tesla, relative to the number of its cars sold in the U.S. in 2020, was more than three times that of the other automakers.” Still a bad comparison, but I would think that the number relative to the number of cars in use of each brand wouldn’t be better for Tesla. The real question would be how this would be relative to the number of miles driven (which, I guess, is about as fair as we could get)
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- omgwtfbyobbq 5y ago
  The Tesla NTHSA complaints are kind of a mess and why we can't have nice things (data). Many are valid and from justifiably disgruntled owners, and I could see how Tesla would have the most driver assistance related complaints, but there are subset that are suspect and/or cranky. https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2020/TESLA/MODEL%2525203/4%252520DR/AWD https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2020/TESLA/MODEL%2525203/4%252... Several begin with "The contact ", which I guess is someone filing a complaint based on second hand info? There's also Keef, who is still filing complaints based off of insurance auction listings and has now started filing complaints based on FSD Beta videos. THIS IS A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE BETA RELEASE AUTOPILOT. A RANDOM MODEL 3 VIN HAS BEEN USED TO BE ABLE TO FILE A COMPLAINT. THIS COMPLAINT APPLIES TO ALL MODELS OF TESLA. HERE IS A VIDEO OF A PROUD BETA TESTER. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=PQ-RGY1V8UG THIS OWNER HAS A MISPLACED TRUST IN THE SAFETY OF THE AUTOPILOT. HE IS USING IT IN HIGH RAFFIC AREAS WITH PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS HE IS ALSO USING IT AT EXCESSIVE SPEED ON NARROW ROADS ONLY INCHES AWAY FROM ONCOMING TRAFFIC. RATHER THAN HAVING HIS HANDS HOLDING THE WHEEL IN THE CORRECT WAY HE ONLY HAS HIS FINGERS TOUCHING THE WHEEL WITH THE PALMS FACING THE WRONG WAY. IF ANYTHING GOES WRONG HE WILL NOT BE ABLE GRAB THE WHEEL PROPERLY IN TIME TO PREVENT A COLLISION. FINGERTIP DRIVING IS UNSAFE AT THE BEST OF TIMES. IF AUTOPILOT HAS A GLITCH OR A SPASM THE DRIVER WOULD BE UNABLE TO QUICKLY REGAIN CONTROL. DESPITE THE CLAIMS OF ELON MUSK SUCH DRIVER BEHAVIOR DOES NOT LEAD TO THE BEAT RELEASE AUTOPILOT BEING REVOKED. THIS EXPERIMENT IS DEADLY. PLEASE GET IT STOPPED IMMEDIATELY. THANK YOU KEEF.

by gleenn 5y ago

queuep 5y ago

Not sure about the US but I can’t believe there’s more Tesla’s than Audi’s on the road in the U.S? Edit: oh there is, that’s quite cool honestly. https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2021-us-vehicle-sales-figures-by-brand/ https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2021-us-vehicle-sales-figures-...

ahahahahah 5y ago
Are you somehow under the impression that everyone is driving at most a one year old car?

lukyanovic 5y ago

As far as I know all new model luxury cars like Audi and Mercedes come with automatic braking for frontal impacts. So considering the number of Mercedes sold in the last few years, I think it's safe to say there are more of them than Teslas.

nradov 5y ago
Automatic braking has been a common feature even in non-luxury vehicles since at least 2018.
- SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
  Yeah, once the Toyota Corolla has something, you can pretty much assume it's just standard now.

Someone 5y ago

FTA: “The rate of complaints about Tesla, relative to the number of its cars sold in the U.S. in 2020, was more than three times that of the other automakers.” Still a bad comparison, but I would think that the number relative to the number of cars in use of each brand wouldn’t be better for Tesla. The real question would be how this would be relative to the number of miles driven (which, I guess, is about as fair as we could get)

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omgwtfbyobbq 5y ago
The Tesla NTHSA complaints are kind of a mess and why we can't have nice things (data). Many are valid and from justifiably disgruntled owners, and I could see how Tesla would have the most driver assistance related complaints, but there are subset that are suspect and/or cranky. https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2020/TESLA/MODEL%2525203/4%252520DR/AWD https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2020/TESLA/MODEL%2525203/4%252... Several begin with "The contact ", which I guess is someone filing a complaint based on second hand info? There's also Keef, who is still filing complaints based off of insurance auction listings and has now started filing complaints based on FSD Beta videos. THIS IS A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE BETA RELEASE AUTOPILOT. A RANDOM MODEL 3 VIN HAS BEEN USED TO BE ABLE TO FILE A COMPLAINT. THIS COMPLAINT APPLIES TO ALL MODELS OF TESLA. HERE IS A VIDEO OF A PROUD BETA TESTER. HTTPS://WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/WATCH?V=PQ-RGY1V8UG THIS OWNER HAS A MISPLACED TRUST IN THE SAFETY OF THE AUTOPILOT. HE IS USING IT IN HIGH RAFFIC AREAS WITH PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS HE IS ALSO USING IT AT EXCESSIVE SPEED ON NARROW ROADS ONLY INCHES AWAY FROM ONCOMING TRAFFIC. RATHER THAN HAVING HIS HANDS HOLDING THE WHEEL IN THE CORRECT WAY HE ONLY HAS HIS FINGERS TOUCHING THE WHEEL WITH THE PALMS FACING THE WRONG WAY. IF ANYTHING GOES WRONG HE WILL NOT BE ABLE GRAB THE WHEEL PROPERLY IN TIME TO PREVENT A COLLISION. FINGERTIP DRIVING IS UNSAFE AT THE BEST OF TIMES. IF AUTOPILOT HAS A GLITCH OR A SPASM THE DRIVER WOULD BE UNABLE TO QUICKLY REGAIN CONTROL. DESPITE THE CLAIMS OF ELON MUSK SUCH DRIVER BEHAVIOR DOES NOT LEAD TO THE BEAT RELEASE AUTOPILOT BEING REVOKED. THIS EXPERIMENT IS DEADLY. PLEASE GET IT STOPPED IMMEDIATELY. THANK YOU KEEF.