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The wealthy dont create products. Working class people do. It is a brain worm that has convinced you that the managerial class deserve to be rich but the workin
by breadbreadbread 5y ago
The wealthy dont create products. Working class people do. It is a brain worm that has convinced you that the managerial class deserve to be rich but the working class dont
- joshsyn 5y agoThis kind of division you put is exactly what I am talking about. Most of the employees of successful companies don't share your views or think of themselves as us vs them and fall into your classification of the working class. They are pretty happy there working with a great CEO hence making great products/providing services.
- devin 5y agoCite your sources.
- redweer 5y agoYou mention "most", but that is not an easy qualifier to back up. More likely, it is "some".
- joshsyn 5y agoWealth is relative concept. So its bizarro in the first place to create this kind of division. Anybody can take his money and put out a business, so he becomes capitalists or them to speak in your terms. Likewise someone in a poor third world country sees them as working class and people complaining here as rich but a whiner.
- breadbreadbread 5y agoThis isn't a division invented by me. It is a division that is put in place by those with money and power. You are talking about a fictional company with a "Great CEO" and employees are "pretty happy" with their position and pay. Even with your platonic ideal of what a "Great CEO" is, you'd have a hard time justifying the pay gap between bottom rung workers and C-suite
- joshsyn 5y agoYour division mentality is just irresponsibility. Why is the pay gap between C-suite and workers? Because it is not easy to hire C-suite executives who makes careful decisions to steer the company in the right direction. Companies are subject to profit and losses. Its not static. Do you know how many round of interviews there are to hire C-suite? >16 interviews over a period of 3-6 months. Workers are in abundance competing for the same role. If I were hiring between 100 workers, everyone put our their bid of the salary, I would be looking for best offer and best quality. That is in-fact a reality of the free market. There is nothing stopping you from creating your own company and paying out your workers what you think is fair. I even encourage you to do just that. But to complain that all rich band together and create this working class and pay them low-wages is simply irresponsible of yourself. If your education has misled you I am sorry.
- 8note 5y agoWorkers are in abundance who would go through said 16 interviews to become CEO, however, they are prefiltered by pedigree so only the rich are interviewed
- tomc1985 5y agoThis sounds like HR is tapping on the marketing/PR people
- option 5y agoUSSR tried putting workers and peasants before the entrepreneurs and elites. Didn’t turn out well
- joshsyn 5y agoIt seems like the so-called progressives want to take a stab at solving socialism again by making everyone miserable.
- option 5y agoYes, it blows my mind that in the last century not one, but 2 countries have been divided in half producing as perfect AB-test of capitalism vs socialism as one could imagine and people still think socialist economy is a great idea. Not to mention dozens of other socialist countries which produced nothing but misery for their people.
- joshsyn 5y agoExactly, mob ruling never works. No matter how extreme length you go to prove it. So many examples, but somehow either they don't learn the history or this time it will be different. They are most the ignorant and the irresponsible. Most normal people just want freedom to work, freedom to trade and pursue their own interests and helping those in their circles, not being enslaved to everyone else.
- imtringued 5y ago>Most normal people just want freedom to work, freedom to trade and pursue their own interests and helping those in their circles, not being enslaved to everyone else. Then they should welcome negative interest rates because that is exactly what they do.
- joshsyn 5y agoThats totally a different discussion and don't see how that is related. Monetary supply/control is a centrally planned policy.
- 988747 5y agoWorking class people alone wouldn't create shit. They have to be provided tools, trained to do the job, and then overseen, so that they do not fuck it up. That's why many industries prefer to replace them with robots. You vastly overestimate the role of working class people in creating consumer goods.
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- joshsyn 5y agoI agree. The downvotes rain are coming, but this categorisation of working class vs wealthy, (Infact I am a working class according to them) from so called progressives (really nihilists) is cause normal everyday people problems for their agenda. We don't need your help. We can stand our grounds.
- coopierez 5y agoJust because you can't understand what a group aspires to doesn't make them nihilists. Is this coming from the Jordan Peterson book of philosophy?
- joshsyn 5y agoThe result speaks for itself. There isn't much understanding to do at this moment. If this group wants to throw themselves off the cliff, I am not willing to go with them.
- coopierez 5y agoFrom the perspective of a _more_ socialist (but still ultimately capitalist) European country, it seems that the group throwing themselves off a cliff are the more purist capitalist types in America. There are other solutions than full-on Soviet-style planned economies. Ultimately, we live in a society - a rising tide lifts all boats.
- waynesonfire 5y agoi disagree, wealthy people create products. they own the means of production. workers don't produce shit as they don't own the machines.
- baremetal 5y agothis is not true for homebuilding. which is a huge sector of the us economy.