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Interesting. Can you expand on an example of a 'new' human right that would be authoritarian in nature? I don't really understand the "right to development" exa

by tgb 5y ago

Interesting. Can you expand on an example of a 'new' human right that would be authoritarian in nature? I don't really understand the "right to development" example. It looks like it was adopted by the UN already in 1986 and I'm not sure if the authoritarian implications. https://www.ohchr.org/en/professionalinterest/pages/righttodevelopment.aspx https://www.ohchr.org/en/professionalinterest/pages/righttod...

realityking 5y ago
There‘s an explanation, with a particular view point, here: https://www.ohchr.org/en/issues/escr/pages/areescrfundamentallydifferentfromcivilandpoliticalrights.aspx https://www.ohchr.org/en/issues/escr/pages/areescrfundamenta... The history is that western democracies generally emphasized civil rights while poorer countries social rights. This “evened the playing field” to play off rights against each other. For example one can claim that it’s been necessary to to limit certain civil rights to improve the situation of social rights. (Take away the farms and give them to the workers).
- imtringued 5y ago
  > (Take away the farms and give them to the workers). Why not just adopt the damn land value tax or just do plain old ground leases? Come on. Why does everything have to be solved with some stupid repossession thing where people get free shit that they don't want to take care of?
throwaways885 5y ago
The Right to Freedom from Misinformation.
Veen 5y ago
> Can you expand on an example of a 'new' human right that would be authoritarian in nature How about a right to live in a community free of external interference—a stronger version of the right to self-determination? You could argue that it would prevent acts of external aggression, but it could also be used to prevent aid when a nation's people are being oppressed.
a_diplomat 5y ago
It wouldn't be so much about the rights themselves being authoritarian, but that opening up the framework for renegotiation would weaken existing norms. You could, for instance, almost be certain that some countries would like to put more limits to freedom of expression.

by tgb 5y ago

realityking 5y ago

There‘s an explanation, with a particular view point, here: https://www.ohchr.org/en/issues/escr/pages/areescrfundamentallydifferentfromcivilandpoliticalrights.aspx https://www.ohchr.org/en/issues/escr/pages/areescrfundamenta... The history is that western democracies generally emphasized civil rights while poorer countries social rights. This “evened the playing field” to play off rights against each other. For example one can claim that it’s been necessary to to limit certain civil rights to improve the situation of social rights. (Take away the farms and give them to the workers).

imtringued 5y ago
> (Take away the farms and give them to the workers). Why not just adopt the damn land value tax or just do plain old ground leases? Come on. Why does everything have to be solved with some stupid repossession thing where people get free shit that they don't want to take care of?

throwaways885 5y ago

The Right to Freedom from Misinformation.

Veen 5y ago

> Can you expand on an example of a 'new' human right that would be authoritarian in nature How about a right to live in a community free of external interference—a stronger version of the right to self-determination? You could argue that it would prevent acts of external aggression, but it could also be used to prevent aid when a nation's people are being oppressed.

a_diplomat 5y ago

It wouldn't be so much about the rights themselves being authoritarian, but that opening up the framework for renegotiation would weaken existing norms. You could, for instance, almost be certain that some countries would like to put more limits to freedom of expression.