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On a couple occasions, two different cis women said that I must be slightly colorblind because I was assigned male at birth and we disagreed on whether a color

On a couple occasions, two different cis women said that I must be slightly colorblind because I was assigned male at birth and we disagreed on whether a color (on a physical object we were both looking at) was more blue or more green. (As far as I can tell, I am not even slightly colorblind.) I really want this linguistics thing to be known, because I think it's a sufficient explanation that _people just name colors differently and that's fine._

HideousKojima 5y ago
Male is your sex, not your gender, so couldn't you just say "I'm male" instead of irrelevant details about "cis" women?
- perl4ever 5y ago
  It provides context for why the opinions might be biased, even if they were genuine and independent.
- nicoburns 5y ago
  Some people use male to refer to gender these days.
marcosdumay 5y ago
That is getting out of topic fast, but have you checked for blue/green color blindness? This one is not widely tested, come in several different forms, and the most usual "symptom" is that you disagree with everybody about colors being more blueish, greenish, purpleish and etc. It also doesn't impact much one's life... unless you have to read resistor values every day.
- perl4ever 5y ago
  I googled for relevant tests and found colorlitelens.com. They may not be trustworthy as they are selling something. However, I took some of the tests (I've never been diagnosed with color blindness by a medical professional) and the results were interesting. The first couple of tests show a partial ring in a different background, like a rotated "C" and ask you to click on the gap as the contrast gets fainter. The red-green gap test was easy for me, and I got 100%. The "Tritan (Blue)" test which might be the relevant one to what you are talking about, was difficult, and it said I was "severely" deficient. However, after you take that test, it shows two spectrums and says if you are color blind in this sense they should look the same. They look very different to me, no question. So then I looked further and saw there is another test for the same type of deficiency, which is called the "mosaic" test, I think, where there is a small square made up of a few "tiles" that is a different color and you have to click on it. This one I got mostly right, and it ended up saying I was "slightly" deficient. It occurs to me, that with LED lights everywhere, and the LED screens on phones, the color deficiency in online tests could be coming from a compromised spectrum of light, not from one's eyesight. I don't quite understand how disagreeing about what to call colors on the spectrum from blue to green can be a deficiency. A rose by any other name... If you can differentiate between colors that are more blue and ones that are more green, then what significance is a label? As I say, lighting is important not to overlook. My first car was basically turquoise, and I tended to think of it as blue or blue-green. Other people did call it green, but for me, there was nuance due to seeing it under many different settings. Under sodium lights, it would look quite blue and not green, and unpleasant to my eye. Under indirect sunlight, it would be blue-green and jewel like. For reference, while it was a Honda color from many years ago that isn't easy to find good pictures of now, pictures from a GIS for "bmw atlantis blue" show cars that look like exactly the same color to me. On the other hand "porsche lizard green" does not look blue to me in the least. "Jade green" seems to me predictably a blue-green color that is greener than turquoise, but still perceptibly bluish. Colors called "chartreuse" generally look to me like green with a hint of yellow.
  - svachalek 5y ago
    Hmm I got a "normal" result on the tritan test (although the last one was quite difficult) but the two spectrums looked exactly the same! I don't really trust this too much. Particularly since it's highly dependent on what screen you view it on.
    - marcosdumay 5y ago
      If I read it right, if you take the test, the two spectra should always look almost exactly the same to you. If you passed, it should look the same for everybody else too (because they are the same). If you didn't pass, somebody else should be able to see a difference. If they don't look the same to you, it's because something got wrong on the test, and you should discard the result.
    - missblit 5y ago
      The spectrum it generates is based on your test result, so if you get a "passing" score the two images are identical (I verified in an image editor that they're functionally identical) For comparison here's what an "almost passing" image looks like: https://www.colorlitelens.com/images/test/T1.jpg https://www.colorlitelens.com/images/test/T1.jpg -- the blue section should look a bit darker on the bottom spectrum, and it's a bit more "pastel" in general (but yeah, monitors can confound this a lot).
  - marcosdumay 5y ago
    Oh, no, disagreeing how to call colors is not a deficiency. But there is a deficiency that causes disagreement on how to call colors (or, well, maybe "deficiency" isn't even the right name, because it doesn't impact your daily live.). I can attest that those kinds of tests work well even on a screen, maybe not this one (I failed it in approximately the same way I fail every one, so it probably does). If you are in doubt, just show the test (or that color spectrum at the last page) to another person and ask if they can solve it. It is really disconcerting discovering that you don't see colors that everybody else does, and doubting the test is the reaction that nearly everybody has. Anyway, it may be the case that you just see different colors. I know I can see some UV light that most people can't. (Oh, and if the spectra looked different, that probably means you made mistakes in the test, getting an error on some image that you could see.)
executesorder66 5y ago
My wife and I disagreed over whether our duvet was blue or green. I was adamant that it's green, and she that it is blue. (we both agreed it was a blue-green, but if we had to pick which colour was more prominent) So I took a photo and looked up the RGB values of the pixels to see if it was more green or blue. Turned out it was basically equal values for both. I found that very interesting.
jedberg 5y ago
It's fairly well established that eyes of males (sex not gender) are not as good at distinguishing blue vs green as female eyes. If you were born male, your eyes most likely can't see blue and green as well as your friends who were born female. That's why you hear all those stories about men arguing with their wives about blue vs. green.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > It's fairly well established that eyes of males (sex not gender) are not as good at distinguishing blue vs green as female eyes. No, its not. It is, on the other hand, well-established that, on average, female brains are better at distinguishing shades within and between “blue” and “green" (and, really, fine distinctions in colors in general) than male brains are on average. (Similarly, male brains are better at perceiving distinctions in brightness than female brains.)
  - jedberg 5y ago
    Eyes are part of the brain, are they not?
    - _hilro 5y ago
      No. They feed signal in to the brain. You wouldn't say your nostrils or mouth or skin or ears are part of the brain. Why would eyes be different?
      - jedberg 5y ago
        The retina is considered part of the brain: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina
        _hilro 5y ago
        Is this what you're referring to?: > In vertebrate embryonic development, the retina and the optic nerve originate as outgrowths of the developing brain, specifically the embryonic diencephalon; thus, the retina is considered part of the central nervous system (CNS) and is actually brain tissue.[2][3] From https://www.britannica.com/science/retina https://www.britannica.com/science/retina > Retina, layer of nervous tissue that covers the inside of the back two-thirds of the eyeball, Anyway. I'm still not convinced eyes = retina = brain so ill leave it there.

HideousKojima 5y ago

Male is your sex, not your gender, so couldn't you just say "I'm male" instead of irrelevant details about "cis" women?

perl4ever 5y ago
It provides context for why the opinions might be biased, even if they were genuine and independent.
nicoburns 5y ago
Some people use male to refer to gender these days.

marcosdumay 5y ago

That is getting out of topic fast, but have you checked for blue/green color blindness? This one is not widely tested, come in several different forms, and the most usual "symptom" is that you disagree with everybody about colors being more blueish, greenish, purpleish and etc. It also doesn't impact much one's life... unless you have to read resistor values every day.

perl4ever 5y ago
I googled for relevant tests and found colorlitelens.com. They may not be trustworthy as they are selling something. However, I took some of the tests (I've never been diagnosed with color blindness by a medical professional) and the results were interesting. The first couple of tests show a partial ring in a different background, like a rotated "C" and ask you to click on the gap as the contrast gets fainter. The red-green gap test was easy for me, and I got 100%. The "Tritan (Blue)" test which might be the relevant one to what you are talking about, was difficult, and it said I was "severely" deficient. However, after you take that test, it shows two spectrums and says if you are color blind in this sense they should look the same. They look very different to me, no question. So then I looked further and saw there is another test for the same type of deficiency, which is called the "mosaic" test, I think, where there is a small square made up of a few "tiles" that is a different color and you have to click on it. This one I got mostly right, and it ended up saying I was "slightly" deficient. It occurs to me, that with LED lights everywhere, and the LED screens on phones, the color deficiency in online tests could be coming from a compromised spectrum of light, not from one's eyesight. I don't quite understand how disagreeing about what to call colors on the spectrum from blue to green can be a deficiency. A rose by any other name... If you can differentiate between colors that are more blue and ones that are more green, then what significance is a label? As I say, lighting is important not to overlook. My first car was basically turquoise, and I tended to think of it as blue or blue-green. Other people did call it green, but for me, there was nuance due to seeing it under many different settings. Under sodium lights, it would look quite blue and not green, and unpleasant to my eye. Under indirect sunlight, it would be blue-green and jewel like. For reference, while it was a Honda color from many years ago that isn't easy to find good pictures of now, pictures from a GIS for "bmw atlantis blue" show cars that look like exactly the same color to me. On the other hand "porsche lizard green" does not look blue to me in the least. "Jade green" seems to me predictably a blue-green color that is greener than turquoise, but still perceptibly bluish. Colors called "chartreuse" generally look to me like green with a hint of yellow.
- svachalek 5y ago
  Hmm I got a "normal" result on the tritan test (although the last one was quite difficult) but the two spectrums looked exactly the same! I don't really trust this too much. Particularly since it's highly dependent on what screen you view it on.
  - marcosdumay 5y ago
    If I read it right, if you take the test, the two spectra should always look almost exactly the same to you. If you passed, it should look the same for everybody else too (because they are the same). If you didn't pass, somebody else should be able to see a difference. If they don't look the same to you, it's because something got wrong on the test, and you should discard the result.
  - missblit 5y ago
    The spectrum it generates is based on your test result, so if you get a "passing" score the two images are identical (I verified in an image editor that they're functionally identical) For comparison here's what an "almost passing" image looks like: https://www.colorlitelens.com/images/test/T1.jpg https://www.colorlitelens.com/images/test/T1.jpg -- the blue section should look a bit darker on the bottom spectrum, and it's a bit more "pastel" in general (but yeah, monitors can confound this a lot).
- marcosdumay 5y ago
  Oh, no, disagreeing how to call colors is not a deficiency. But there is a deficiency that causes disagreement on how to call colors (or, well, maybe "deficiency" isn't even the right name, because it doesn't impact your daily live.). I can attest that those kinds of tests work well even on a screen, maybe not this one (I failed it in approximately the same way I fail every one, so it probably does). If you are in doubt, just show the test (or that color spectrum at the last page) to another person and ask if they can solve it. It is really disconcerting discovering that you don't see colors that everybody else does, and doubting the test is the reaction that nearly everybody has. Anyway, it may be the case that you just see different colors. I know I can see some UV light that most people can't. (Oh, and if the spectra looked different, that probably means you made mistakes in the test, getting an error on some image that you could see.)

executesorder66 5y ago

My wife and I disagreed over whether our duvet was blue or green. I was adamant that it's green, and she that it is blue. (we both agreed it was a blue-green, but if we had to pick which colour was more prominent) So I took a photo and looked up the RGB values of the pixels to see if it was more green or blue. Turned out it was basically equal values for both. I found that very interesting.

jedberg 5y ago

It's fairly well established that eyes of males (sex not gender) are not as good at distinguishing blue vs green as female eyes. If you were born male, your eyes most likely can't see blue and green as well as your friends who were born female. That's why you hear all those stories about men arguing with their wives about blue vs. green.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> It's fairly well established that eyes of males (sex not gender) are not as good at distinguishing blue vs green as female eyes. No, its not. It is, on the other hand, well-established that, on average, female brains are better at distinguishing shades within and between “blue” and “green" (and, really, fine distinctions in colors in general) than male brains are on average. (Similarly, male brains are better at perceiving distinctions in brightness than female brains.)
- jedberg 5y ago
  Eyes are part of the brain, are they not?
  - _hilro 5y ago
    No. They feed signal in to the brain. You wouldn't say your nostrils or mouth or skin or ears are part of the brain. Why would eyes be different?
    - jedberg 5y ago
      The retina is considered part of the brain: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina
      - _hilro 5y ago
        Is this what you're referring to?: > In vertebrate embryonic development, the retina and the optic nerve originate as outgrowths of the developing brain, specifically the embryonic diencephalon; thus, the retina is considered part of the central nervous system (CNS) and is actually brain tissue.[2][3] From https://www.britannica.com/science/retina https://www.britannica.com/science/retina > Retina, layer of nervous tissue that covers the inside of the back two-thirds of the eyeball, Anyway. I'm still not convinced eyes = retina = brain so ill leave it there.