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Having my own history with depression and paranoia bordering anxiety I can only encourage ppl to look into food intolerances. Good treatment is just one part of

Having my own history with depression and paranoia bordering anxiety I can only encourage ppl to look into food intolerances. Good treatment is just one part of it, my guess is that if the symptoms are treated, something else will go wrong long term.

_def 5y ago
You're right, but depression is so tricky. It can help to treat the symptoms short term, which can enable you to treat the root cause long term.
- Cthulhu_ 5y ago
  Exactly that, and depression is rarely just the one issue, or rarely has just the one cause; if you're depressed because of e.g. poverty, just taking pills won't solve the root cause. I mean it might break a cycle and be a first step towards a better life of course, but that cycle could be broken by better circumstances as well.
stef25 5y ago
Did your problems get solved by eliminating certain foods and if so, how did you go about narrowing down the culprits? One problem with depression, as mentioned in the article, is that it's hard to define exactly what the problem is (there's no "depression center" in the brain) which means treating the symptoms is often the only option.
- OhHiMarkos 5y ago
  Well, I would say that by eliminating foods is only part of the problem and can guarantee you success. I think changing the way we eat and live is better. For starters, you could eliminate the extra-processed foods from your diet and add more natural sources of food. Then you could follow a regiment of 2-3 meals a day. Put the protein heavy + fatty foods in the first meal of the day and the carbs heavy foods as last meals. Make sure you are eating enough nutrients. Don't be afraid of salt. Add lots of fermented food cause there is a link with improving the gut and its ability to fight inflammations. Add movement and exercise, and make them a habit. Get a fitness buddy. Make sure you are a getting regular good sleep. I would recommend you a great podcast series called the Huberman lab, where this Stanford professor offers great insights about how the body works and what are the latest news from various research fields. https://hubermanlab.com/ https://hubermanlab.com/
  - Aliabid94 5y ago
    I’ve always heard to not eat carbs near the end of the day because metabolism is slowest then. Is there truth to that?
    - meowkit 5y ago
      You eat the carbs to spike your insulin and help you fall asleep as the glucose is in your body is depleted. If you time it right and have a stable circadian rhythm your natural melatonin production will kick in and knock you out for deep sleep. [Source: Andrew Huberman] I am not aware of any good reason for worrying about when your basal metabolism is lowest. If you want to lose weight do intermittent fasting and get into ketosis.
      - barrenko 5y ago
        No way you go into ketosis if you eat carbs every day.
  - stef25 5y ago
    Doubtful this (good) dietary advise alone can cure people from severe depression.
    - krageon 5y ago
      Severe (read: Not seasonal, not time of day influenced, not due to e.g. your spouse dying) depression is something you need to go to a therapist for. Advice on the internet (for this specific thing) is something for after all doctors and medication fails you, or as an addendum to an already well-understood treatment formulated by someone that sees folks with your problems every day.
knaik94 5y ago
I wish the field of psychiatry was mature and used different words for depression caused by your environment and life stressors vs depression caused by brain chemistry vs depression caused by ignoring nutrition. It's not fair to compare these types of depression as worse or less worse and each would need different kinds of treatment protocols. The current definition is just based on symptoms and trying therapy and medication until something works. There is a lot of promising research being done about the relationship between your gut microbiome and depression and other mental health issues. Hopefully more research is done in populations across the world because it seems like currently most of the literature is focused on a western population. "High-fat consumption not only leads to obesity but also causes widespread inflammation of body systems. The gut microbiome may alter the harmful effects of the high-fat diet, improving mood and behavior. By modulating gut microbiome composition through proper nutrition and probiotics, we also help decrease anxiety and depression [4]." [0] [0] (2020) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7510518/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7510518/ [4] (2018) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0889159117304154?casa_token=JScXlRh8VUgAAAAA:ULBL-UYRXHcI1H4NMxnxRBMpptc7RHax6RIBTT38aZ6hzr268J-cw07cIs6AbstsOeo0DroUcg https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S088915911...
- goldenkey 5y ago
  Indeed, the women in the article has a ton of gut biome. I'm sure the ice crime diet didn't give her the greatest flora known to Frito-Lay. Perhaps a fecal transplant, way less invasive, would do her some good. South Park even did an episode on this topic.
- Cthulhu_ 5y ago
  I do hope all of this research will bubble up to solid advice and / or legislation though; saying "just fix your diet!" has big "thanks I'm cured" energy because it's a pretty vague statement. Plus, especially in the US, getting 'good' food is a challenge; there's many "food deserts" in the US where the only source of food is the local fast food chains. And - from an outsider's point of view, correct me if I'm wrong - things like fresh fruit and vegetables are reserved for the 'elitist' grocery store chains like Whole Foods.
InfiniteRand 5y ago
The way I think about it is that there are a number of conditions that can cause serious depression, some of which are known and have a straight-forward treatment, for instance, thyroid and hormonal issues, certain sleeping disorders, and certain nutrition issues. If the cause of the mental issues is unknown, you're left with treating the symptoms, which is certainly better than nothing, but often inexact and trial and error. Thus it makes sense to knock out any probable known causes when starting treatment before assuming an unknown cause. My personal experience was when I was first diagnosed is that I had my vitamin levels checked, thyroid checked, had some sleep labs, and everyone recommended losing weight and exercise.

_def 5y ago

You're right, but depression is so tricky. It can help to treat the symptoms short term, which can enable you to treat the root cause long term.

Cthulhu_ 5y ago
Exactly that, and depression is rarely just the one issue, or rarely has just the one cause; if you're depressed because of e.g. poverty, just taking pills won't solve the root cause. I mean it might break a cycle and be a first step towards a better life of course, but that cycle could be broken by better circumstances as well.

stef25 5y ago

Did your problems get solved by eliminating certain foods and if so, how did you go about narrowing down the culprits? One problem with depression, as mentioned in the article, is that it's hard to define exactly what the problem is (there's no "depression center" in the brain) which means treating the symptoms is often the only option.

OhHiMarkos 5y ago
Well, I would say that by eliminating foods is only part of the problem and can guarantee you success. I think changing the way we eat and live is better. For starters, you could eliminate the extra-processed foods from your diet and add more natural sources of food. Then you could follow a regiment of 2-3 meals a day. Put the protein heavy + fatty foods in the first meal of the day and the carbs heavy foods as last meals. Make sure you are eating enough nutrients. Don't be afraid of salt. Add lots of fermented food cause there is a link with improving the gut and its ability to fight inflammations. Add movement and exercise, and make them a habit. Get a fitness buddy. Make sure you are a getting regular good sleep. I would recommend you a great podcast series called the Huberman lab, where this Stanford professor offers great insights about how the body works and what are the latest news from various research fields. https://hubermanlab.com/ https://hubermanlab.com/
- Aliabid94 5y ago
  I’ve always heard to not eat carbs near the end of the day because metabolism is slowest then. Is there truth to that?
  - meowkit 5y ago
    You eat the carbs to spike your insulin and help you fall asleep as the glucose is in your body is depleted. If you time it right and have a stable circadian rhythm your natural melatonin production will kick in and knock you out for deep sleep. [Source: Andrew Huberman] I am not aware of any good reason for worrying about when your basal metabolism is lowest. If you want to lose weight do intermittent fasting and get into ketosis.
    - barrenko 5y ago
      No way you go into ketosis if you eat carbs every day.
- stef25 5y ago
  Doubtful this (good) dietary advise alone can cure people from severe depression.
  - krageon 5y ago
    Severe (read: Not seasonal, not time of day influenced, not due to e.g. your spouse dying) depression is something you need to go to a therapist for. Advice on the internet (for this specific thing) is something for after all doctors and medication fails you, or as an addendum to an already well-understood treatment formulated by someone that sees folks with your problems every day.

knaik94 5y ago

I wish the field of psychiatry was mature and used different words for depression caused by your environment and life stressors vs depression caused by brain chemistry vs depression caused by ignoring nutrition. It's not fair to compare these types of depression as worse or less worse and each would need different kinds of treatment protocols. The current definition is just based on symptoms and trying therapy and medication until something works. There is a lot of promising research being done about the relationship between your gut microbiome and depression and other mental health issues. Hopefully more research is done in populations across the world because it seems like currently most of the literature is focused on a western population. "High-fat consumption not only leads to obesity but also causes widespread inflammation of body systems. The gut microbiome may alter the harmful effects of the high-fat diet, improving mood and behavior. By modulating gut microbiome composition through proper nutrition and probiotics, we also help decrease anxiety and depression [4]." [0] [0] (2020) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7510518/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7510518/ [4] (2018) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0889159117304154?casa_token=JScXlRh8VUgAAAAA:ULBL-UYRXHcI1H4NMxnxRBMpptc7RHax6RIBTT38aZ6hzr268J-cw07cIs6AbstsOeo0DroUcg https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S088915911...

goldenkey 5y ago
Indeed, the women in the article has a ton of gut biome. I'm sure the ice crime diet didn't give her the greatest flora known to Frito-Lay. Perhaps a fecal transplant, way less invasive, would do her some good. South Park even did an episode on this topic.
Cthulhu_ 5y ago
I do hope all of this research will bubble up to solid advice and / or legislation though; saying "just fix your diet!" has big "thanks I'm cured" energy because it's a pretty vague statement. Plus, especially in the US, getting 'good' food is a challenge; there's many "food deserts" in the US where the only source of food is the local fast food chains. And - from an outsider's point of view, correct me if I'm wrong - things like fresh fruit and vegetables are reserved for the 'elitist' grocery store chains like Whole Foods.

InfiniteRand 5y ago

The way I think about it is that there are a number of conditions that can cause serious depression, some of which are known and have a straight-forward treatment, for instance, thyroid and hormonal issues, certain sleeping disorders, and certain nutrition issues. If the cause of the mental issues is unknown, you're left with treating the symptoms, which is certainly better than nothing, but often inexact and trial and error. Thus it makes sense to knock out any probable known causes when starting treatment before assuming an unknown cause. My personal experience was when I was first diagnosed is that I had my vitamin levels checked, thyroid checked, had some sleep labs, and everyone recommended losing weight and exercise.