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What about stories from actual Apple employees? https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=90_Hours_A_Week_And_Loving_It.txt https://www.folklore.org/StoryVie

What about stories from actual Apple employees? https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=90_Hours_A_Week_And_Loving_It.txt https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=90_Hours_A_Week_... https://venturebeat.com/2011/08/25/michael-dhuey-apple-engineer/ https://venturebeat.com/2011/08/25/michael-dhuey-apple-engin... https://www.businessinsider.com/ex-apple-employee-on-steve-jobs-mobileme-tirade-2013-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/ex-apple-employee-on-steve-j... https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/01/former-apple-employee-guy-kawasaki-once-stood-up-to-steve-jobs-here-is-the-amazing-response-he-received.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/01/former-apple-employee-guy-ka...

enraged_camel 5y ago
There's no doubt that Jobs was a very polarizing figure, had many negative character traits and made a lot of mistakes throughout his life. For what it's worth, I read his biography and he came across as repentant and apologetic when confronted, especially near the end when he knew he was going to die. He was a brilliant but flawed person, and he was aware of it. What really rubs me the wrong way is people who refuse to give him credit for his tremendous achievements, and belittle and ridicule him instead.
- exBarrelSpoiler 5y ago
  Who is actually belittling and ridiculing him? Some Apple defenders seem to be stuck sometime between the mid-90s when Apple was on the verge of collapse, and before the introduction of the iPod. Apple is the most profitable company on Earth. Jobs' place in the history books is assured. This isn't some plucky underdog that's in need of defense anymore. Even the fiercest critic of Jobs will need to recognize his accomplishments, and Apple's success. And even if they don't, so what? Apple is a giant. It has outshone M$ and made their mobile attempts look like a joke. Steve Jobs is a secular saint, an icon. Who cares what a few trolls think? The most irritating thing about modern Apple fanboyism is that it lets the most profitable company on Earth and its leadership off scot-free. Anyone who criticizes Apple is put in the same company as bullies from decades ago who were on the side of Wintel and mocking a tortured genius. That's very outdated. And it blinds people from valid critiques.
- joe_the_user 5y ago
  For what it's worth, I read his biography and he came across as repentant and apologetic when confronted, especially near the end when he knew he was going to die. Well, the thing with this is that while he might have been privately apologetic, the public image that relentlessly and abusively driving employees leads to success has stayed with us after his death and he certainly made no effort publicly debunk it. That certainly influences how I see him.

enraged_camel 5y ago

There's no doubt that Jobs was a very polarizing figure, had many negative character traits and made a lot of mistakes throughout his life. For what it's worth, I read his biography and he came across as repentant and apologetic when confronted, especially near the end when he knew he was going to die. He was a brilliant but flawed person, and he was aware of it. What really rubs me the wrong way is people who refuse to give him credit for his tremendous achievements, and belittle and ridicule him instead.

exBarrelSpoiler 5y ago
Who is actually belittling and ridiculing him? Some Apple defenders seem to be stuck sometime between the mid-90s when Apple was on the verge of collapse, and before the introduction of the iPod. Apple is the most profitable company on Earth. Jobs' place in the history books is assured. This isn't some plucky underdog that's in need of defense anymore. Even the fiercest critic of Jobs will need to recognize his accomplishments, and Apple's success. And even if they don't, so what? Apple is a giant. It has outshone M$ and made their mobile attempts look like a joke. Steve Jobs is a secular saint, an icon. Who cares what a few trolls think? The most irritating thing about modern Apple fanboyism is that it lets the most profitable company on Earth and its leadership off scot-free. Anyone who criticizes Apple is put in the same company as bullies from decades ago who were on the side of Wintel and mocking a tortured genius. That's very outdated. And it blinds people from valid critiques.
joe_the_user 5y ago
For what it's worth, I read his biography and he came across as repentant and apologetic when confronted, especially near the end when he knew he was going to die. Well, the thing with this is that while he might have been privately apologetic, the public image that relentlessly and abusively driving employees leads to success has stayed with us after his death and he certainly made no effort publicly debunk it. That certainly influences how I see him.