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>how safe it felt. You mean how authoritarian it felt. I can't believe people's brains have devolved over the past 18 months to the point that seeing a society

>how safe it felt. You mean how authoritarian it felt. I can't believe people's brains have devolved over the past 18 months to the point that seeing a society live in constant fear and have to present papers gestapo-style to participate in society is perceived as "wow I feel safe here". You'd have loved to live under fascism, because of how "safe" you would feel under your extreme government authority.

zpeti 5y ago
Not only that, but everyone has now had a chance to get the vaccine. If you catch COVID now and end up with complications you are either a very small edge case (which is bad but there are edge cases in using motorways, sports, and other diseases), or you’ve chosen to not be vaccinated. To force entire societies into compliance with all sorts of insane rules, because some people haven’t vaccinated is insane. Because that’s what this is. Even if you think you are making your society safe by following all your redirections, you are basically accepting authoritarianism because of anti vaxxers and edge cases. Is it worth it?
pvaldes 5y ago
Nope, Portugal has always been like that. Being humble and caring for other is ingrained in their culture. Portuguese have also a privileged connection with Brazil and are well aware of the dangers of acting stupid. Fascism, brains turning into cheese and people acting like a flock of sheep is the definition of Qanon. Couldn't be more alien to Portuguese society. The interesting question is why other countries don't understand the idea.
- bellyfullofbac 5y ago
  > Fascism, brains turning into cheese and people acting like a flock of sheep is the definition of Qanon. How true! It's so odd that these people believe themselves to be the enlightened critical thinkers. Sadly their evidence-gathering stops at the first blog with a URL like covidtruth.news that tells them what they want to hear.
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7952 5y ago
A hallmark of facism is the deliberate suppression of nuance. Every single thing is distorted to align with a particular narrative of fear. Fear of Jews, communists, or secret cabals of lefties using masks to destroy freedom. There is more nuance to masks. They cover your face! They make it easier to avoid surveillance. Maybe the purpose is to prevent snot and phlegm from becoming air born. Because they are a terribe mechanism of control. People can make personal choices to comply without it being driven by fear. But your attitude is driven by fear.
- zpeti 5y ago
  Who are you protecting with masks when a country is 98% vaccinated? Wasn’t the promise in most countries that once that level of vaccination is achieved we can go back to normal? Or can we just be clear that it’s masks for everyone forever from now on, because that’s what people who want to feel safe want. This isn’t about COVID any more. It can’t be, because everyone’s had a chance to get vaccinated.
  - ZeroGravitas 5y ago
    Vaccines aren't 100% effective in the short and especially the long term. The article itself talks about planning for vaccine booster shots.
    - zpeti 5y ago
      I'd love for someone like yourself to explain to me what your vision of the future is, or what you see as a "good" world in the next few years. At what point can we go back to pre covid regulations/laws? What level of booster effectiveness would make you feel comfortable? Do you even want things to go back to pre covid? Or would you prefer everyone wear masks for common colds and flu (common colds kill the elderly too btw). What death rate is acceptable to you for covid before things get back to normal? Should we lock down on severe flu seasons in the future? I'd genuinely like to understand how you see the future, I'm not trolling you.
      - 5y ago
bellyfullofbac 5y ago
Ah yeah, the Gestapo Covid police, do they also go around and quietly make people disappear? Sure there are arrests for gross violations of the new rules, but even if you're a denier that the virus exists, imagine it does, and ask yourself if the laws make sense? Yeah I know a lot of the anti-authoritarians think this is just the start, the global elite is herding the dumb sheep right? For what end? It seems like the existing capitalism was already fucking the working class very efficiently enough, with said working class willingly participating...
- torstenvl 5y ago
  Look at any of the video coming out of Australia. https://twitter.com/ritapanahi/status/1442259246339346432?s=21 https://twitter.com/ritapanahi/status/1442259246339346432?s=...
waterglassFull 5y ago
This comment made me laugh. Kudos.

zpeti 5y ago

Not only that, but everyone has now had a chance to get the vaccine. If you catch COVID now and end up with complications you are either a very small edge case (which is bad but there are edge cases in using motorways, sports, and other diseases), or you’ve chosen to not be vaccinated. To force entire societies into compliance with all sorts of insane rules, because some people haven’t vaccinated is insane. Because that’s what this is. Even if you think you are making your society safe by following all your redirections, you are basically accepting authoritarianism because of anti vaxxers and edge cases. Is it worth it?

pvaldes 5y ago

Nope, Portugal has always been like that. Being humble and caring for other is ingrained in their culture. Portuguese have also a privileged connection with Brazil and are well aware of the dangers of acting stupid. Fascism, brains turning into cheese and people acting like a flock of sheep is the definition of Qanon. Couldn't be more alien to Portuguese society. The interesting question is why other countries don't understand the idea.

bellyfullofbac 5y ago
> Fascism, brains turning into cheese and people acting like a flock of sheep is the definition of Qanon. How true! It's so odd that these people believe themselves to be the enlightened critical thinkers. Sadly their evidence-gathering stops at the first blog with a URL like covidtruth.news that tells them what they want to hear.
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7952 5y ago

A hallmark of facism is the deliberate suppression of nuance. Every single thing is distorted to align with a particular narrative of fear. Fear of Jews, communists, or secret cabals of lefties using masks to destroy freedom. There is more nuance to masks. They cover your face! They make it easier to avoid surveillance. Maybe the purpose is to prevent snot and phlegm from becoming air born. Because they are a terribe mechanism of control. People can make personal choices to comply without it being driven by fear. But your attitude is driven by fear.

zpeti 5y ago
Who are you protecting with masks when a country is 98% vaccinated? Wasn’t the promise in most countries that once that level of vaccination is achieved we can go back to normal? Or can we just be clear that it’s masks for everyone forever from now on, because that’s what people who want to feel safe want. This isn’t about COVID any more. It can’t be, because everyone’s had a chance to get vaccinated.
- ZeroGravitas 5y ago
  Vaccines aren't 100% effective in the short and especially the long term. The article itself talks about planning for vaccine booster shots.
  - zpeti 5y ago
    I'd love for someone like yourself to explain to me what your vision of the future is, or what you see as a "good" world in the next few years. At what point can we go back to pre covid regulations/laws? What level of booster effectiveness would make you feel comfortable? Do you even want things to go back to pre covid? Or would you prefer everyone wear masks for common colds and flu (common colds kill the elderly too btw). What death rate is acceptable to you for covid before things get back to normal? Should we lock down on severe flu seasons in the future? I'd genuinely like to understand how you see the future, I'm not trolling you.
    - 5y ago

bellyfullofbac 5y ago

Ah yeah, the Gestapo Covid police, do they also go around and quietly make people disappear? Sure there are arrests for gross violations of the new rules, but even if you're a denier that the virus exists, imagine it does, and ask yourself if the laws make sense? Yeah I know a lot of the anti-authoritarians think this is just the start, the global elite is herding the dumb sheep right? For what end? It seems like the existing capitalism was already fucking the working class very efficiently enough, with said working class willingly participating...

torstenvl 5y ago
Look at any of the video coming out of Australia. https://twitter.com/ritapanahi/status/1442259246339346432?s=21 https://twitter.com/ritapanahi/status/1442259246339346432?s=...

waterglassFull 5y ago

This comment made me laugh. Kudos.