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I find it pretty crazy that as far as hardware requirements go apparently the minimum is a 7th generation intel chip. Unsurprisingly only slightly more than 40%

I find it pretty crazy that as far as hardware requirements go apparently the minimum is a 7th generation intel chip. Unsurprisingly only slightly more than 40% of enterprise machines meet that requirement[1], this pretty much excludes any machine pre 2018, no? Very weird. [1]https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-11-half-of-enterprise-workstations-dont-meet-the-new-system-requirements-says-survey/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-11-half-of-enterprise-...

joconde 5y ago
8th generation :) I started their "PC health app" today and got told my Core i7 7700HQ is too old.
- noxer 5y ago
  It doesn't matter what it says. It only checks for OEM requirements and thus only lists new CPUs that are still being produced/shipped in new hardware. If you look at the same requirements for Windows 10 21H1 [1] it will not list old CPUs even if they where listed for older versions of win 10 and have no problem running 21H1. [1]https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-10-21h1-supported-intel-processors https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/min... Fact is the current version of win 11 runs on any 64-bit CPU you can find I tested it on a T7500 from the early 2006. Its maxed out for 30 seconds after booting but other than that no problem running the OS.
  - joconde 5y ago
    They did say that these older CPUs weren't entitled to Windows updates though (https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/28/22646035/microsoft-windows-11-iso-workaround-no-update-guarantee https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/28/22646035/microsoft-window...). This is probably worse than being denied the upgrade in the first place...
    - noxer 5y ago
      But its factually nonsense and in the end it does not matter what theverge say. What matters is the reality. The reality is you can run win11 on old CPUs. You can update win10 to win11. And you do receive updates. BUT if for some reason something is not compatible and it fails, MS like wont fix it if its related to old hardware. Also if new features are being added that do not work on old hardware then this may break the OS or certain parts and MS can point to the fact that you run unsupported hardware. That is how it always has been. You are on your own if you ignore recommendations but nothing is really denied. Skipping the CPU checks is one google search away for anyone who wants to.
      - joconde 5y ago
        Well, I don't know what Microsoft is going to add to their future updates, all I know is that they felt it was important enough to go out of their way and tell me they didn't guarantee I would always get updates. I don't want to switch over to it and discover that some 8-th gen CPU feature is needed for a Windows 11 feature I don't need, and have to go back to 10 to get security updates. > That is how it always has been. Previous Windows versions were guaranteed to keep working on the CPU models they could run on at launch. Sure, it could just be a trick by MS to boost sales, but I don't think they like the PR drawback about planned obsolescence.
qzw 5y ago
PC OEM sales people have already started shopping for bigger houses and boats.
AtlasBarfed 5y ago
I remember Vista had some hardware grading system, and this was around the time GHz scaling was plateauing. I think really high end systems started out as like a 3 on a scale of 10... Did we ever get to 10?
- banana_giraffe 5y ago
  Vista maxed out at 5.9, Windows 7 bumped the upper limit up to 7.9 It's gone from the UI in Windows 10, but WinSat is still there (for some reason), and the range now goes up to 9.9.
- rzzzt 5y ago
  Vista went up to 5.9, Windows 7 raised the bar to 7.9: https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-experience-index-in-windows-7/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-experience-index-in-wi... Edit: ninja'd!
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  Eh, I think I managed something close to the max around that time on pretty average hardware. The current version goes to 10, open powershell and run Get-CimInstance Win32_WinSat. On that, I have an 8.1 on my SSD, and 9+ on everything else despite an 8 year old CPU.
- zamadatix 5y ago
  Running an actual WinSAT benchmark since it has already been mentioned Windows 10/11 top out at 9.9: System: 9.6 Memory: 9.6 CPU: 9.6 CPU Sub Agg: 9.3 Video Encode: 9.9 Graphics Score: 9.9 Dx9 Sub Score: 9.9 Dx10 Sub Score: 9.9 Disk Score: 9.7 So it looks like CPU (5950X) and memory (2x16 GB 4000 Mhz) was the limiter for me, closely followed by disk (MP600 Pro XT). GPU didn't seem to run fully and it noted some tests were skipped by default nowadays but for whatever it does check a 2080 Ti is good enough for a 9.9.
anothernewdude 5y ago
During an ongoing chip shortage too.
zokier 5y ago
In enterprise context I'd assume most of the upgrades would happen with regular device replacement cycles.
- noxer 5y ago
  Thats why the past 2 years of hardware has official win 11 support and win 10 has support until 2025. That cover the corporate end-user hardware lifespan of 5-7 years. Certainly this inst a coincident.

joconde 5y ago

8th generation :) I started their "PC health app" today and got told my Core i7 7700HQ is too old.

noxer 5y ago
It doesn't matter what it says. It only checks for OEM requirements and thus only lists new CPUs that are still being produced/shipped in new hardware. If you look at the same requirements for Windows 10 21H1 [1] it will not list old CPUs even if they where listed for older versions of win 10 and have no problem running 21H1. [1]https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-10-21h1-supported-intel-processors https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/min... Fact is the current version of win 11 runs on any 64-bit CPU you can find I tested it on a T7500 from the early 2006. Its maxed out for 30 seconds after booting but other than that no problem running the OS.
- joconde 5y ago
  They did say that these older CPUs weren't entitled to Windows updates though (https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/28/22646035/microsoft-windows-11-iso-workaround-no-update-guarantee https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/28/22646035/microsoft-window...). This is probably worse than being denied the upgrade in the first place...
  - noxer 5y ago
    But its factually nonsense and in the end it does not matter what theverge say. What matters is the reality. The reality is you can run win11 on old CPUs. You can update win10 to win11. And you do receive updates. BUT if for some reason something is not compatible and it fails, MS like wont fix it if its related to old hardware. Also if new features are being added that do not work on old hardware then this may break the OS or certain parts and MS can point to the fact that you run unsupported hardware. That is how it always has been. You are on your own if you ignore recommendations but nothing is really denied. Skipping the CPU checks is one google search away for anyone who wants to.
    - joconde 5y ago
      Well, I don't know what Microsoft is going to add to their future updates, all I know is that they felt it was important enough to go out of their way and tell me they didn't guarantee I would always get updates. I don't want to switch over to it and discover that some 8-th gen CPU feature is needed for a Windows 11 feature I don't need, and have to go back to 10 to get security updates. > That is how it always has been. Previous Windows versions were guaranteed to keep working on the CPU models they could run on at launch. Sure, it could just be a trick by MS to boost sales, but I don't think they like the PR drawback about planned obsolescence.

qzw 5y ago

PC OEM sales people have already started shopping for bigger houses and boats.

AtlasBarfed 5y ago

I remember Vista had some hardware grading system, and this was around the time GHz scaling was plateauing. I think really high end systems started out as like a 3 on a scale of 10... Did we ever get to 10?

banana_giraffe 5y ago
Vista maxed out at 5.9, Windows 7 bumped the upper limit up to 7.9 It's gone from the UI in Windows 10, but WinSat is still there (for some reason), and the range now goes up to 9.9.
rzzzt 5y ago
Vista went up to 5.9, Windows 7 raised the bar to 7.9: https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-experience-index-in-windows-7/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-experience-index-in-wi... Edit: ninja'd!
Dylan16807 5y ago
Eh, I think I managed something close to the max around that time on pretty average hardware. The current version goes to 10, open powershell and run Get-CimInstance Win32_WinSat. On that, I have an 8.1 on my SSD, and 9+ on everything else despite an 8 year old CPU.
zamadatix 5y ago
Running an actual WinSAT benchmark since it has already been mentioned Windows 10/11 top out at 9.9: System: 9.6 Memory: 9.6 CPU: 9.6 CPU Sub Agg: 9.3 Video Encode: 9.9 Graphics Score: 9.9 Dx9 Sub Score: 9.9 Dx10 Sub Score: 9.9 Disk Score: 9.7 So it looks like CPU (5950X) and memory (2x16 GB 4000 Mhz) was the limiter for me, closely followed by disk (MP600 Pro XT). GPU didn't seem to run fully and it noted some tests were skipped by default nowadays but for whatever it does check a 2080 Ti is good enough for a 9.9.

anothernewdude 5y ago

During an ongoing chip shortage too.

zokier 5y ago

In enterprise context I'd assume most of the upgrades would happen with regular device replacement cycles.

noxer 5y ago
Thats why the past 2 years of hardware has official win 11 support and win 10 has support until 2025. That cover the corporate end-user hardware lifespan of 5-7 years. Certainly this inst a coincident.