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> Offline accounts are now a "pro" feature. > Switching default browsers is now more difficult. > Taskbar is now shoved to the center. Why? No reason other th

• em500 5y ago
  Sounds like Microsoft is turning Windows into ChromeOS. Now I actually like ChromeOS a lot. But I do wish we'd keep some actual choices, instead of the same thing with different skins.
  • yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
    I largely like ChromeOS as itself, but I wouldn't want it for a general purpose system; it works because it's a limited system
• kreeben 5y ago
  If you mean "every other version", then yes, I member. I think MS has shifted from that strategy into a new one, where we'll see improvements every fifth version or so. 20 years from now, we'll get "multiple displays works like a charm".
• nikanj 5y ago
  With Microsoft, they get better with every other version. Goes back at least to Windows 2000. Windows Me, Vista, 8 were monsters, 2000, XP, 7 and 10 were nice enough. Whatever comes after 11 should be good again
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• russli1993 5y ago
  plus so called team's "integration". Clearly a move to use the dominate position of windows in OS space, to push out competitors like Slack, Zoom, and all others in the communication space. > Offline account a pro feature: to sell Microsoft accounts, office 365 and onedrive > Switching default browsers more difficult: to sell Edge and Bing. > Taskbar is now in the center: to get people to click on icons such as Teams, Microsoft Search, and the new launcher which includes links to Microsoft services like office 365. All the changes above are not for the benefits of consumers or other business that rely on Windows OS, for example, app developers, partners etc. Microsoft would brand and market them for the benefits of consumers. But at their core, they are about serving Microsoft bottom line. To use the dominate of position of windows OS in the PC(desktop and laptop) market, to push other lines of business from Microsoft. Microsoft have to continue to grow their revenue to justify their market cap right? That is where Microsoft's core interest is and what fundamentally propel them to do. And it shows up in what consumers will end up with, and it's not surprising at all. All that marketing doesn't hide this fact. And Microsoft will do things slowly, like boiling frogs, slowly so people don't realize. Remember when Windows 10 was launching people expressed concerns about linking Microsoft account to windows and Microsoft replied offline account will always be here? Now they removed it from non-pro edition and calling it "improving our ability to deliver new features to consumers" or "bring consumers more value". Microsoft's strategy is get people to use Microsoft account, so people use other Microsoft services like onedrive and office, and have stronger ties with Microsoft. Now if you want a offline account, you have to fork more money, and a lot of laptop OEMs ship with non-pro version of windows because it's cheaper license. This will deter a lot of people, so people cave in and go with Microsoft's strategy. But in long run, Microsoft will make more money from people with Microsoft accounts than they lost from the cheaper windows non-pro license. The business executives and strategists have all this calculated.
  • liketochill 5y ago
    How were word and excel going to get collaborative editing like google docs without some kind of online account? A common HN refrain is that defaults matter, so by default in order to be feature competitive you need an MS account. For my personal computer I will use Linux and windows 7 in a VM for autocad and other windows only software, for work I use whatever they provide. If it lets my company pay $x per user per year for supported collaborative word and excel, common cloud storage, and shared calendars… that’s pretty turn key and a great deal compared to having an in house IT department that could do all of that, when tech is a tool for our business and not core or adjacent to the business
    • hammyhavoc 5y ago
      Same way it works for Etherpad? Accounts are old school. Keys would work just fine. Even collaboration via a local server. No reason for third-party cloud or accounts.
  • sofixa 5y ago
    > so called team's "integration". Clearly a move to use the dominate position of windows in OS space, to push out competitors like Slack, Zoom, and all others in the communication space I hope the regulators are listening - it's the same crap as IE.
• moogly 5y ago
  The taskbar being centered actually can make sense if you've ever used an ultrawide, or super ultrawide monitor. I use two vertically stacked 49" monitors but wouldn't keep it centered though; I actually hide it and only show it when I press the Win key, using a bunch of third-party programs that won't work with the rewritten XAML Island-based taskbar. But making it the default setting is wrong IMO. I feel the new taskbar is clearly an attempt at copying MacOS's awful dock, replete with forced grouping and a small indicator below the icon to show which app is currently running.
  • hakfoo 5y ago
    I could see centering the running-window icons, but the Start button should still be in a corner. This is day 1 UX design stuff-- the corners are effectively infinitely large click targets, ensuring quick and reliable access. The Apple menu has been in a corner since 1984 for a reason.
    • moogly 5y ago
      Agreed on the Start button location.