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Guys, maybe socialism failed, and maybe you can laugh because you knew, or we all knew. But the fact is millions are starving and suffering. This is no time f

Guys, maybe socialism failed, and maybe you can laugh because you knew, or we all knew. But the fact is millions are starving and suffering. This is no time for 'i told you so.' The suffering people didn't choose this.

nradov 5y ago
What? Chavez and Maduro were democratically elected. The people absolutely chose this. Elections have consequences.
- spockz 5y ago
  Does socialism preclude having democratic elections? I thought socialism was at its core more about how to shape policies than the method of statecraft.
  - namdnay 5y ago
    They mean that the citizens of Venezuela are not innocent victims in all this, they have a share of responsibility as they elected the idiots who drove the country into the ground
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  - redis_mlc 5y ago
    > Does socialism preclude having democratic elections? Yes, it does. Marx: "Socialism is just one step away from Communism." There's no Communist country with more than one party.
- silisili 5y ago
  If Trump had gotten the US into nuclear war or some other devastation, would you still feel the same if other countries laughed and said we deserve it? Even if less than half than less than half of the people elected such a leader? There's still a large amount of people who didn't vote for these people affected. And even if all 100% signed up and voted for these people, I still don't feel it helps to rub their suffering in their face.
google234123 5y ago
Their suffering can definitely (and usefully) be used as a defense against those in other countries that want to try the same thing.
codeecan 5y ago
> The suffering people didn't choose this. They 100% did, an article from 2011/2013 about the government distributing low cost appliances[1] and free houses[2]. They were getting tons of free and cheap stuff and the people were celebrating it. [1] https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/6189 https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/6189 [2] https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/10258 https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/10258

nradov 5y ago

What? Chavez and Maduro were democratically elected. The people absolutely chose this. Elections have consequences.

spockz 5y ago
Does socialism preclude having democratic elections? I thought socialism was at its core more about how to shape policies than the method of statecraft.
- namdnay 5y ago
  They mean that the citizens of Venezuela are not innocent victims in all this, they have a share of responsibility as they elected the idiots who drove the country into the ground
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- redis_mlc 5y ago
  > Does socialism preclude having democratic elections? Yes, it does. Marx: "Socialism is just one step away from Communism." There's no Communist country with more than one party.
silisili 5y ago
If Trump had gotten the US into nuclear war or some other devastation, would you still feel the same if other countries laughed and said we deserve it? Even if less than half than less than half of the people elected such a leader? There's still a large amount of people who didn't vote for these people affected. And even if all 100% signed up and voted for these people, I still don't feel it helps to rub their suffering in their face.

google234123 5y ago

Their suffering can definitely (and usefully) be used as a defense against those in other countries that want to try the same thing.

codeecan 5y ago

> The suffering people didn't choose this. They 100% did, an article from 2011/2013 about the government distributing low cost appliances[1] and free houses[2]. They were getting tons of free and cheap stuff and the people were celebrating it. [1] https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/6189 https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/6189 [2] https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/10258 https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/10258