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I want no idiots, not rules.

by someguydave 5y ago

elpatoisthebest 5y ago
We are all somewhere on the idiot scale.
- SonicScrub 5y ago
  Not only that, but we have multiple on differing levels of the idiot scale depending on the topic at hand. The biggest idiots I've encountered are brilliant people outside their knowledge domain.
  - Bootvis 5y ago
    The other way around I hope ;)
    - SonicScrub 5y ago
      *The biggest idiots I've encountered are brilliant people within their knowledge domain. Exhibit A: me writing ;p
      - foldr 5y ago
        Don’t worry :) I read it as “The biggest idiots I've encountered are brilliant people (who are [idiots when they are]) outside their knowledge domain.”
  - andrekandre 5y ago
    > we have multiple on differing levels of the idiot scale depending on the topic at hand or even depending on the time of day, or current stress/work levels alot of things can affect the idiot scale...
- v-erne 5y ago
  That's very narrow way of thinking ... I believe myself to be idiot in multiple different ways which can have multiple dimensions with multiple different scales.
  - beefield 5y ago
    And the real problem is that it is only a really small set of things one person can have even mediocre competence during one lifetime, whereas the space of things where you can be completely idiot is infinite. So, as a very good approximation, we all are complete idiots.
dgb23 5y ago
Idiots is a bad term for this. Novices need rules before they are competent. After a certain level of expertise you start breaking the rules, develop your own specialized style, because you know when to break them and how to make up new ones. And we're all novices in some contexts, very rarely anything above that. The problem is not rules/"idiots"/novices. The problem is when people who make/enforce the rules are not fit to do so, cling to the rules and apply them with sweeping generality. The people who create those problems are typically incompetent but eager or even zealous at the same time. They are resistant to learning, addicted to power and/or afraid of change and certainly afraid of appearing incompetent. So they never get past that level where they start to recognize when rules need to change or need to get broken.
- surajrmal 5y ago
  It's not just novices. Humans are just error prone and make mistakes. Processes to help prevent those mistakes from making material impact on the business are critical to making it sustainable. Honestly though, these processes, if done well can improve velocity of the organization. For example having a comprehensive set of precommit tests may enable your team to continuously ship from head every day. An alternative process to achieve the same effect may only allow shipping once every 3 months. This sort of thing applies to non-technical processes as well.
  - qznc 5y ago
    It’s not just errors. There is the effect of bounded rationality: The organization is too complex to consider everything, so intelligent people make decisions which have unintended bad effects.
avidiax 5y ago
The trouble is that even if everyone has great ideas, implementing all of them at once is idiotic. You need some brakes on the organization to assure that the rate of change is manageable and that marginal ideas are implemented more slowly if at all.
- sokoloff 5y ago
  If it's better to slow down the good and the bad ideas, red tape, organizational brakes, and a "default nope" culture are great. It might also be better to have a much faster pace and more freewheeling "default don't care; if you can make it work, it'll stay" which also then requires a relatively ruthless culling mechanism (even if slightly unfair) for the things that don't work.
CPLX 5y ago
I'm fucking brilliant, I'm literally the opposite of an idiot. I swear. Ask me to navigate a bus station in a provincial Chinese city and I'm a complete fucking moron though. Ask me how I know. Point being, there's no such thing as idiocy without context.

I want no idiots, not rules.

elpatoisthebest 5y ago

We are all somewhere on the idiot scale.

SonicScrub 5y ago
Not only that, but we have multiple on differing levels of the idiot scale depending on the topic at hand. The biggest idiots I've encountered are brilliant people outside their knowledge domain.
- Bootvis 5y ago
  The other way around I hope ;)
  - SonicScrub 5y ago
    *The biggest idiots I've encountered are brilliant people within their knowledge domain. Exhibit A: me writing ;p
    - foldr 5y ago
      Don’t worry :) I read it as “The biggest idiots I've encountered are brilliant people (who are [idiots when they are]) outside their knowledge domain.”
- andrekandre 5y ago
  > we have multiple on differing levels of the idiot scale depending on the topic at hand or even depending on the time of day, or current stress/work levels alot of things can affect the idiot scale...
v-erne 5y ago
That's very narrow way of thinking ... I believe myself to be idiot in multiple different ways which can have multiple dimensions with multiple different scales.
- beefield 5y ago
  And the real problem is that it is only a really small set of things one person can have even mediocre competence during one lifetime, whereas the space of things where you can be completely idiot is infinite. So, as a very good approximation, we all are complete idiots.

dgb23 5y ago

Idiots is a bad term for this. Novices need rules before they are competent. After a certain level of expertise you start breaking the rules, develop your own specialized style, because you know when to break them and how to make up new ones. And we're all novices in some contexts, very rarely anything above that. The problem is not rules/"idiots"/novices. The problem is when people who make/enforce the rules are not fit to do so, cling to the rules and apply them with sweeping generality. The people who create those problems are typically incompetent but eager or even zealous at the same time. They are resistant to learning, addicted to power and/or afraid of change and certainly afraid of appearing incompetent. So they never get past that level where they start to recognize when rules need to change or need to get broken.

surajrmal 5y ago
It's not just novices. Humans are just error prone and make mistakes. Processes to help prevent those mistakes from making material impact on the business are critical to making it sustainable. Honestly though, these processes, if done well can improve velocity of the organization. For example having a comprehensive set of precommit tests may enable your team to continuously ship from head every day. An alternative process to achieve the same effect may only allow shipping once every 3 months. This sort of thing applies to non-technical processes as well.
- qznc 5y ago
  It’s not just errors. There is the effect of bounded rationality: The organization is too complex to consider everything, so intelligent people make decisions which have unintended bad effects.

avidiax 5y ago

The trouble is that even if everyone has great ideas, implementing all of them at once is idiotic. You need some brakes on the organization to assure that the rate of change is manageable and that marginal ideas are implemented more slowly if at all.

sokoloff 5y ago
If it's better to slow down the good and the bad ideas, red tape, organizational brakes, and a "default nope" culture are great. It might also be better to have a much faster pace and more freewheeling "default don't care; if you can make it work, it'll stay" which also then requires a relatively ruthless culling mechanism (even if slightly unfair) for the things that don't work.

CPLX 5y ago

I'm fucking brilliant, I'm literally the opposite of an idiot. I swear. Ask me to navigate a bus station in a provincial Chinese city and I'm a complete fucking moron though. Ask me how I know. Point being, there's no such thing as idiocy without context.