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So, you're not wrong that there have been plenty of shifts. Some of those were laughably optimistic even at the time, some of those are true (masks do work, bu

by Natsu 5y ago

So, you're not wrong that there have been plenty of shifts. Some of those were laughably optimistic even at the time, some of those are true (masks do work, but cloth masks suck). Some of the people are hypocritical and will get haircuts or whatever that they forbid others from doing. But you know what basically everyone is doing? Getting vaccinated. Even Trump got vaccinated and told others to do the same. [1][2] If it's some kind of poison, as many are memeing, you'd think we wouldn't want to do that. You can argue that there are long-term unknowns... but that's equally true of the virus. And I've seen literally nothing that the vaccine has caused that isn't known to also be caused by Covid. So I'd say not to get your science from journalists in general, wear a quality mask (N95 preferably, but at least surgical), and do what you can to lower the replication rate of this stupid virus below 1 so that it goes away. That last part is proving really hard so far. [1] https://www.deseret.com/2021/4/23/22399234/former-president-donald-trump-americans-coronavirus-vaccine-obama-bush-clinton-carter https://www.deseret.com/2021/4/23/22399234/former-president-... [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-booed-alabama-rally-after-telling-supporters-get-vaccinated-n1277404 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-booed-al...

monksy 5y ago
> (N95 preferably, but at least surgical), I wouldn't even go as low to recommend surgical (at least not without a mask fitter) KF94, KN95 (reputable), FFP2, or an higher quality N95 NIOSH (shame they won't make those for kids)
nradov 5y ago
I encourage everyone to get vaccinated if they can, but the virus will never go away. You can't seriously expect asymptomatic people to continue wearing masks indefinitely. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu... https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-19-will-just-end-up-causing-a-cold-says-oxford-vaccine-creator-sarah-gilbert-npkds93zd https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-19-will-just-end-up...
- Natsu 5y ago
  It does seem likely that the virus will become endemic, though hopefully reduced to something like a common cold virus. It is possible to get something in between, though, where the virus only exists in certain regions and thereby contain it, though this seems to be getting less likely. We might get some traction with a booster tailored to delta, but only time will tell.
- King-Aaron 5y ago
  > You can't seriously expect asymptomatic people to continue wearing masks indefinitely. Millions of people throughout Asia have been for decades though.
  - lmm 5y ago
    No we haven't. We wear masks when we have flu symptoms, not all the time.
syshum 5y ago
You seemed to have confused me with someone that is opposed to the vaccination. I have been fully vaccinated for months. Most people do confuse my positions because I disagree with both sides. I am one of the unorthodox Vaccinated Ant-Vaxxer's that believes people should get vaccinated but I also respect individual liberty to allow them the choose to no inject themselves with a medical treatment if they do not desire it. Since I oppose government mandates then I must be "Anti-Vaxx"..... Crazy I know, to respect peoples body autonomy in 2021 during a pandemic no less...... I also have a high degree bullshit detector, and can not stand hypocrisy which I see ALOT of logical hypocrisy around covid. >>do what you can to lower the replication rate of this stupid virus below 1 so that it goes away. That last part is proving really hard so far. it is not "proving hard" it was always impossible and anyone to tell you otherwise is lying. SARS-COVID-V2 is endemic, and will likely settle out with annual deaths being over that of seasonal flu. This idea that we can "beat" COVID like we have beat other things like polio is just wrong.
- Natsu 5y ago
  > it is not "proving hard" it was always impossible Well there's the Australian method, but I'd prefer things not go that way. I agree that people should have informed consent for vaccinating, that's why I try to inform people so that they consent.
  - syshum 5y ago
    >Well there's the Australian method, I dont believe that is either practical or sustainable. Nor is it compatible with a society that has any respect for individualism which we in America do. AU will be unlikely to keep their draconian measures in place forever, either economic reality, or social unrest will force a change
    - King-Aaron 5y ago
      > AU will be unlikely to keep their draconian measures in place forever, either economic reality, or social unrest will force a change It's worked well for us in Western Australia, and we're effectively a covid-free island with one of the best individual economies in the world right now.

by Natsu 5y ago

monksy 5y ago

> (N95 preferably, but at least surgical), I wouldn't even go as low to recommend surgical (at least not without a mask fitter) KF94, KN95 (reputable), FFP2, or an higher quality N95 NIOSH (shame they won't make those for kids)

nradov 5y ago

I encourage everyone to get vaccinated if they can, but the virus will never go away. You can't seriously expect asymptomatic people to continue wearing masks indefinitely. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu... https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-19-will-just-end-up-causing-a-cold-says-oxford-vaccine-creator-sarah-gilbert-npkds93zd https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-19-will-just-end-up...

Natsu 5y ago
It does seem likely that the virus will become endemic, though hopefully reduced to something like a common cold virus. It is possible to get something in between, though, where the virus only exists in certain regions and thereby contain it, though this seems to be getting less likely. We might get some traction with a booster tailored to delta, but only time will tell.
King-Aaron 5y ago
> You can't seriously expect asymptomatic people to continue wearing masks indefinitely. Millions of people throughout Asia have been for decades though.
- lmm 5y ago
  No we haven't. We wear masks when we have flu symptoms, not all the time.

syshum 5y ago

You seemed to have confused me with someone that is opposed to the vaccination. I have been fully vaccinated for months. Most people do confuse my positions because I disagree with both sides. I am one of the unorthodox Vaccinated Ant-Vaxxer's that believes people should get vaccinated but I also respect individual liberty to allow them the choose to no inject themselves with a medical treatment if they do not desire it. Since I oppose government mandates then I must be "Anti-Vaxx"..... Crazy I know, to respect peoples body autonomy in 2021 during a pandemic no less...... I also have a high degree bullshit detector, and can not stand hypocrisy which I see ALOT of logical hypocrisy around covid. >>do what you can to lower the replication rate of this stupid virus below 1 so that it goes away. That last part is proving really hard so far. it is not "proving hard" it was always impossible and anyone to tell you otherwise is lying. SARS-COVID-V2 is endemic, and will likely settle out with annual deaths being over that of seasonal flu. This idea that we can "beat" COVID like we have beat other things like polio is just wrong.

Natsu 5y ago
> it is not "proving hard" it was always impossible Well there's the Australian method, but I'd prefer things not go that way. I agree that people should have informed consent for vaccinating, that's why I try to inform people so that they consent.
- syshum 5y ago
  >Well there's the Australian method, I dont believe that is either practical or sustainable. Nor is it compatible with a society that has any respect for individualism which we in America do. AU will be unlikely to keep their draconian measures in place forever, either economic reality, or social unrest will force a change
  - King-Aaron 5y ago
    > AU will be unlikely to keep their draconian measures in place forever, either economic reality, or social unrest will force a change It's worked well for us in Western Australia, and we're effectively a covid-free island with one of the best individual economies in the world right now.