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If vaccines don’t provide immunity then what’s the point of all the public policy such as vaccine passports, etc? If you can still catch and spread it those who

If vaccines don’t provide immunity then what’s the point of all the public policy such as vaccine passports, etc? If you can still catch and spread it those who are vaccinated should be subject to the same testing requirements as the unvaccinated.

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
> If you can still catch and spread it those who are vaccinated should be subject to the same testing requirements as the unvaccinated. You're misunderstanding the precise use of the word "can" here. I can win the lottery. I can win a coin toss. But the odds are drastically different, and so en masse, we should plan and test much more for the "much more likely" case than the other. Now, vaccination against COVID gives better odds of not catching and not spreading COVID. You still _can_, though. > If vaccines don’t provide immunity But they do, statistically they provide a high level of immunity. Not 100% though. You know this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28699699 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28699699 So why are you contradicting yourself?
JshWright 5y ago
It's not a binary thing... Vaccines make it significantly less likely that you will be infected, or if you are infected that you will develop the viral load necessary to be infectious, or if you are infectious, the period of time you are infectious for will be much shorter. At each step along the way the vaccine makes less likely that the vaccinated individual will infect someone else. It makes it sufficiently less likely that if everyone was vaccinated, each infected person would, on average, go on to infect less than one other person, and the pandemic would end. The more people who are vaccinate, the lower that average of "people that get infected by each infectious person" goes. That is why vaccinations are important to everyone, not just the individual who is vaccinated.
- nradov 5y ago
  Vaccination provides good protection against severe symptoms. However even a high level of vaccination won't be sufficient to end the pandemic. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...
- silver-arrow 5y ago
  Past attempts to vaccinate corona viruses say you are wrong. Israel’s current live study says you’re wrong
  - boltzmann_brain 5y ago
    Hence we need censorship to keep the uncomfortable facts hidden and keep the narrative safe.

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago

> If you can still catch and spread it those who are vaccinated should be subject to the same testing requirements as the unvaccinated. You're misunderstanding the precise use of the word "can" here. I can win the lottery. I can win a coin toss. But the odds are drastically different, and so en masse, we should plan and test much more for the "much more likely" case than the other. Now, vaccination against COVID gives better odds of not catching and not spreading COVID. You still _can_, though. > If vaccines don’t provide immunity But they do, statistically they provide a high level of immunity. Not 100% though. You know this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28699699 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28699699 So why are you contradicting yourself?

JshWright 5y ago

It's not a binary thing... Vaccines make it significantly less likely that you will be infected, or if you are infected that you will develop the viral load necessary to be infectious, or if you are infectious, the period of time you are infectious for will be much shorter. At each step along the way the vaccine makes less likely that the vaccinated individual will infect someone else. It makes it sufficiently less likely that if everyone was vaccinated, each infected person would, on average, go on to infect less than one other person, and the pandemic would end. The more people who are vaccinate, the lower that average of "people that get infected by each infectious person" goes. That is why vaccinations are important to everyone, not just the individual who is vaccinated.

nradov 5y ago
Vaccination provides good protection against severe symptoms. However even a high level of vaccination won't be sufficient to end the pandemic. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...
silver-arrow 5y ago
Past attempts to vaccinate corona viruses say you are wrong. Israel’s current live study says you’re wrong
- boltzmann_brain 5y ago
  Hence we need censorship to keep the uncomfortable facts hidden and keep the narrative safe.