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"Someone want to throw out there a better way to combat disinformation than just armchair criticizing their decision?" Yes. Combat disinformation by refuting i

"Someone want to throw out there a better way to combat disinformation than just armchair criticizing their decision?" Yes. Combat disinformation by refuting it. This requires credibility, and censorship is one of the fastest ways to burn that down.

ptaipale 5y ago
The covid disinformation is like a religion; no amount of researched data is going to change peoples minds. Believe me, I've been patient in explaining facts and referring to data, but people just report fabricated data memes and click the laughing emoji (which in fact should be removed from Facebook...)
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  Once you give up on changing people's minds, you fall into who can acquire more power and guns, which is a pretty unhealthy place for society.
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m-p-3 5y ago
The problem is that bullshit takes significantly less effort to produce than a well-researched counter-argument. With the sheer volume of disinformation out there, you can't even start to imagine having the required manpower to squash it all with refutation alone.
- deadpannini 5y ago
  Yeah, fighting ignorance isn't easy. But the alternatives are much worse, ineffective in the long run, and by damaging your credibility, impair your ability to fight rationally in the future. De-platforming is always going to fail because your opponents are hydras. "Yay, we crushed Milo Yiannopoulos!" Er, wait, how's that going, really? Malevolent troublemaking nihilists are still at large? _Donald Trump_ won the next election? Better to have it out in public.
  - sellyme 5y ago
    > De-platforming is always going to fail because your opponents are hydras. The strongest evidence against this is that the groups being deplatformed seem really, really upset by it. Seems like they wouldn't be so concerned if it wasn't effective. > "Yay, we crushed Milo Yiannopoulos!" Er, wait, how's that going, really? Pretty well, given that he hasn't been relevant to anything in years.
    - m-p-3 5y ago
      > Milo Yiannopoulos That's a name I haven't heard in a long time, so in a way deplatforming worked. And I believe that it's better than the alternative of letting disinformation run amok in a pandemic.
      - deadpannini 5y ago
        I must have been too cryptic. Is the actual goal of de-platforming individuals to punish or silence specific individuals, or is it to suppress remove certain kinds of speech from public discourse?
IshKebab 5y ago
People don't fall for this stuff because they've weighed up the evidence for and against.
_moof 5y ago
> Combat disinformation by refuting it. Got any ideas that might actually have a non-zero chance of working?

ptaipale 5y ago

The covid disinformation is like a religion; no amount of researched data is going to change peoples minds. Believe me, I've been patient in explaining facts and referring to data, but people just report fabricated data memes and click the laughing emoji (which in fact should be removed from Facebook...)

s1artibartfast 5y ago
Once you give up on changing people's minds, you fall into who can acquire more power and guns, which is a pretty unhealthy place for society.

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m-p-3 5y ago

The problem is that bullshit takes significantly less effort to produce than a well-researched counter-argument. With the sheer volume of disinformation out there, you can't even start to imagine having the required manpower to squash it all with refutation alone.

deadpannini 5y ago
Yeah, fighting ignorance isn't easy. But the alternatives are much worse, ineffective in the long run, and by damaging your credibility, impair your ability to fight rationally in the future. De-platforming is always going to fail because your opponents are hydras. "Yay, we crushed Milo Yiannopoulos!" Er, wait, how's that going, really? Malevolent troublemaking nihilists are still at large? _Donald Trump_ won the next election? Better to have it out in public.
- sellyme 5y ago
  > De-platforming is always going to fail because your opponents are hydras. The strongest evidence against this is that the groups being deplatformed seem really, really upset by it. Seems like they wouldn't be so concerned if it wasn't effective. > "Yay, we crushed Milo Yiannopoulos!" Er, wait, how's that going, really? Pretty well, given that he hasn't been relevant to anything in years.
  - m-p-3 5y ago
    > Milo Yiannopoulos That's a name I haven't heard in a long time, so in a way deplatforming worked. And I believe that it's better than the alternative of letting disinformation run amok in a pandemic.
    - deadpannini 5y ago
      I must have been too cryptic. Is the actual goal of de-platforming individuals to punish or silence specific individuals, or is it to suppress remove certain kinds of speech from public discourse?

IshKebab 5y ago

People don't fall for this stuff because they've weighed up the evidence for and against.

_moof 5y ago

> Combat disinformation by refuting it. Got any ideas that might actually have a non-zero chance of working?