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But if they had paid him to create completely new art, it wouldn't have been an authentic performance of "Take the money and run", but a mere simulacrum. The br

by yholio 5y ago

But if they had paid him to create completely new art, it wouldn't have been an authentic performance of "Take the money and run", but a mere simulacrum. The breach of contract is the artwork.

IshKebab 5y ago
Clearly it is art and heist. But the law doesn't care too much if your crime is a work of art.
- pishpash 5y ago
  We can call it "art crime".
  - rvbissell 5y ago
    No, no, it's "crime art".
- sjg007 5y ago
  Hmm maybe fraud? Breach of contract at most? Not a crime. Arguably he delivered something. It could also been just an invisible artwork. Was the money supposed to be in the artwork as a medium? Maybe there’s a Bitcoin address on the frame or something.
  - IshKebab 5y ago
    I don't know where you're from but in Denmark fraud is a crime!
    - sjg007 5y ago
      Yes maybe it is fraud it would depend on the contract. But he delivered something and did they accept it as in take possession?
VanillaCafe 5y ago
Nice. And now the museum can create a piece of art in response called "Repercussions". (Or, maybe it was all one piece of art all along.)
- yholio 5y ago
  I like it. They could request the judge that he serves his time inside the museum itself, in a cell prepared just for him where visitors can observe his daily routine. He will not only participate in one of the greatest modern art performances of all time, but he will indeed become the artwork.
  - ineedasername 5y ago
    And at the end they could burn the artist and issue an NFT.
    - ASalazarMX 5y ago
      An NFT? More like one NFT for every of his screams while he's burning to death, and they wouldn't record any so the screams can't be duplicated. 1 year later... the artist is alive and well, enjoying a mojito on a Cuban beach with a satisfied smile.
      - ineedasername 5y ago
        It's almost like you're saying that an NFT doesn't actually capture the thing it's correlated with. But if that was true it would completely undermine the concept of an NFT of an art work. The NFT wouldn't have any more unique value than an item # in a catalog.
- idiotsecant 5y ago
  That would actually be pretty interesting as art, I think.
- thrwyoilarticle 5y ago
  It's been done... https://www.antepavilion.org/hackney-fight https://www.antepavilion.org/hackney-fight

by yholio 5y ago

But if they had paid him to create completely new art, it wouldn't have been an authentic performance of "Take the money and run", but a mere simulacrum. The breach of contract is the artwork.

IshKebab 5y ago

Clearly it is art and heist. But the law doesn't care too much if your crime is a work of art.

pishpash 5y ago
We can call it "art crime".
- rvbissell 5y ago
  No, no, it's "crime art".
sjg007 5y ago
Hmm maybe fraud? Breach of contract at most? Not a crime. Arguably he delivered something. It could also been just an invisible artwork. Was the money supposed to be in the artwork as a medium? Maybe there’s a Bitcoin address on the frame or something.
- IshKebab 5y ago
  I don't know where you're from but in Denmark fraud is a crime!
  - sjg007 5y ago
    Yes maybe it is fraud it would depend on the contract. But he delivered something and did they accept it as in take possession?

VanillaCafe 5y ago

Nice. And now the museum can create a piece of art in response called "Repercussions". (Or, maybe it was all one piece of art all along.)

yholio 5y ago
I like it. They could request the judge that he serves his time inside the museum itself, in a cell prepared just for him where visitors can observe his daily routine. He will not only participate in one of the greatest modern art performances of all time, but he will indeed become the artwork.
- ineedasername 5y ago
  And at the end they could burn the artist and issue an NFT.
  - ASalazarMX 5y ago
    An NFT? More like one NFT for every of his screams while he's burning to death, and they wouldn't record any so the screams can't be duplicated. 1 year later... the artist is alive and well, enjoying a mojito on a Cuban beach with a satisfied smile.
    - ineedasername 5y ago
      It's almost like you're saying that an NFT doesn't actually capture the thing it's correlated with. But if that was true it would completely undermine the concept of an NFT of an art work. The NFT wouldn't have any more unique value than an item # in a catalog.
idiotsecant 5y ago
That would actually be pretty interesting as art, I think.
thrwyoilarticle 5y ago
It's been done... https://www.antepavilion.org/hackney-fight https://www.antepavilion.org/hackney-fight