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Apple is very clear that this is how things work now. They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you of this change the first time you try to shut your de

Apple is very clear that this is how things work now. They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you of this change the first time you try to shut your device off - https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/07/ios-15-find-my-network-can-find-your-iphone-when-it-is-powered-off/ https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/07/ios-15-find-my-network-can-fi... I'm not sure why this is presented as some new thing, or a gotcha or whatever this is. We've known about it for months... And IMO, it's a positive change although it does sound a little weird.

madeofpalk 5y ago
Yeah, there's a reasonably visible message "warning" you of this, which has a prompt to turn it off. I actually thought this was very old, added a year or so ago. I guess it got delayed? I've had two phones stolen (right out of my hands) that were immediately shut down and sim cards ejected to prevent them from being tracked. While I'm sure this feature wouldn't help me get back a phone, I hope it does deter this. Edit: I think this was announced back in 2019 WWWDC https://www.wired.com/story/apple-find-my-cryptography-bluetooth/ https://www.wired.com/story/apple-find-my-cryptography-bluet... ?
- AniseAbyss 5y ago
  The police in my country wouldn't even bother to check, they have rapists and drug dealers to deal with.
  - handrous 5y ago
    Police in the US don't investigate any but very expensive property crime against individuals, either. And I don't actually know that they investigate very expensive property crime—I just assume they do. Certainly mid-five-figures of theft from multiple locations by one crew with tons of video evidence isn't enough to get them interested, beyond taking the report. ... unless your country is the US, in which case, yeah, true.
  - roywiggins 5y ago
    Your police investigate rapes? Ours don't. https://www.wnyc.org/story/nypd-misled-public-about-response-metoo-report/ https://www.wnyc.org/story/nypd-misled-public-about-response...
    - gremloni 5y ago
      This comment could not be anymore hyperbolic.
      - roywiggins 5y ago
        Texas sat on untested rape kits for two decades https://www.texasobserver.org/activist-and-rape-survivor-lavinia-masters-on-the-battle-to-end-texas-rape-kit-backlog/ https://www.texasobserver.org/activist-and-rape-survivor-lav... It's getting a bit better, but it's still a problem: https://www.nycsouthpaw.com/p/texas-still-has-thousands-of-untested https://www.nycsouthpaw.com/p/texas-still-has-thousands-of-u...
  - rurp 5y ago
    Yeah I'm baffled by all of the comments saying that this is great as an anti-theft feature. I don't know where people live that that's the case, but I sure as heck have never known police in the US to give a damn about $1000 property crimes. They don't care about $20000 home robberies and car thefts, even with strong video or other evidence. I can't imagine they're going to start chasing down criminals to get a used phone back unless it's for the mayor's kid or something.
    - krrrh 5y ago
      That aside, there was a massive decrease in iPhone thefts when activation locking was introduced with the original “find my”. Something like this could further deter the portion of thefts that end up funnelling through shady resellers.
    - sparker72678 5y ago
      It serves as anti-theft insofar as it makes it more of a pain generally to be in possession of a stolen phone. But yeah the police are not going to go get your iPhone back for you.
      - Fnoord 5y ago
        Lets not generalize, shall we? Police here in The Netherlands take care of stolen bikes. Its just a low success rate which skews our perception.
        Talanes 5y ago
        And here in America, I got literally laughed at by my small-town police force as a teenager when I went to them with the exact house my stolen bike was sitting outside of.
        Fnoord 5y ago
        The Dutch police want to avoid that civilians 'play their own judge'. If the perpetrator and/or stolen object can be positively ID'ed this is a big plus for the public prosecutor to give a go ahead. What can happen then, is that the police try to buy the stolen good, catching the perpetrator red handed. This is the most effective path of getting a case succesfully put to trial. However, it is going to differ per local jurisdiction. Some Dutch police do have man power issues as well, just like some of USA has. On a side note: I don't like the attitude of laughing at civilians/victims who the police officer is supposed to serve. Its a kind of negative attitude which devalues the victims interest (I don't like the word toxic but others would apply it here), eventually harming trust in police in the process which (long term) benefits criminals. And what I also don't like is when such is generalized on all police, all around the world. The way you were treated flat out sucks.
  - madeofpalk 5y ago
    Yeah, I'm sure the police wouldn't check either. I'm sure it wouldn't help me get my phone back but (perhaps paradoxically?) I hope it at least is a bit of a deterrent.
- baby 5y ago
  It was just added a few days ago, not a year ago.
- arctics 5y ago
  someone can just wrap your phone in aluminum foil, bye bye phone.
  - Jtsummers 5y ago
    And they may, but the effort to steal an iPhone has been increased with this, and the difficulty in recovering a lost (not necessarily stolen) iPhone has been decreased. It's a win for the typical consumer.
    - dvcrn 5y ago
      Even getting around Activation Lock on a stolen iPhone is probably a lot of hassle unless you know a guy who knows a guy who can unlock it for you
Bilal_io 5y ago
Maybe they started showing the warnings recently, but this practice was in place for at least a few years. I remember reading an article by a journalist who was on a trip and his iPhone died. Later he discovered it still logged his locations, not only when off, but when dead (I assume the iPhone is designed to shut off with some juice left)
- macintux 5y ago
  Logging locations and being remotely findable are two separate features.
jackson1442 5y ago
Agreed. Of all the messiness in iOS's settings app, it's honestly pretty easy to find the setting to turn this off (iCloud > Find My > Find My network). The Twitter thread almost reads like someone who's trying to not understand what's happening. Not to mention the fact that there's a reminder of this setting every time you turn your phone off, which can be tapped to disable this behavior.
- sixbrx 5y ago
  Settings -> (Your Name/Apple ID ...) -> Find My -> Find My iPhone -> Find My Network in latest iOS.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    Does 5 levels deep count as easy to find?
    - fingerlocks 5y ago
      You can just type "Find" in the huge text field at the top to filter out settings items. I rarely drop levels deep for anything.
      - NamTaf 5y ago
        I tried this and it specifically didn't work for me. I also coudln't find where it was (I was expecting in the privacy > location settings). Eventually found it, but I was surprised at how much I struggled.
    - Shank 5y ago
      From the power off menu, it gives you a temporary off button: https://files.catbox.moe/wd48tu.png https://files.catbox.moe/wd48tu.png
      - dylan604 5y ago
        That's like someone saying that fire is hot, but you respond with you can turn down the flame on the stove. While that may be true, you've completely dodged the original question.
hungryforcodes 5y ago
Wow, first I've heard of it. Seems to be enabled by default too -- I think users definitely are not "clear" about it.
- wlesieutre 5y ago
  The "slide to power off" prompt literally says "iPhone Findable after Power Off >" right under it every time, but 99% of users will never see it or care about this feature because no one ever turns their phone off. But if you're one of those few people who does turn the phone off, it says right there, and you can tap on it to shut down to unfindable state this time instead. Note that it requires a passcode to disable, which is key to this feature. If someone steals your phone it will remain findable unless they open it up and pull the battery.
  - hungryforcodes 5y ago
    I turn off my phone but never that way. It either runs out of power or I hard reset it. Either way I don't want it spying on me.
    - wlesieutre 5y ago
      Hard reset doesn't have anything to do with this since it turns back on afterward. As far as letting the battery die, I think it's going to be much more common that someone loses their phone, the battery is dead, and this helps them figure out "whoops, I left it at the bar we went to after dinner." The power reserve for this only lasts a few hours, but if you don't want that feature you can turn it off.
    - ArchOversight 5y ago
      > Either way I don't want it spying on me. It literally isn't spying on you, it's allow you to find your after you've lost it.
      - serf 5y ago
        >It literally isn't spying on you, it's allow you to find your after you've lost it. almost no mobile device has a feature that is 'literally spying on you'. the problem is when the devices have so many features that they can be easily turned into a consummate spy device by any nearby paying agency. in other words : no mobile device is spying on you, but the people who control them definitely do, and they're often willing to sell the rights to do so to groups that are poorly vetted -- using a device with less capabilities necessarily gives the controlling party less options by which to gather data for whatever reasons they may be compelled to do so. so.. the phone, lacking sovereignty , does not spy on you; but it's a big leaky gps/imu-enabled microphone camera that sits in your pocket or purse all day, and the list of groups with access to that leaky data-pipe increases every day with little concern and little reform regarding data retention policies and ownership rights.
baybal2 5y ago
Some Android phone do this too to let NFC being usable when the phone is off.
sneak 5y ago
"very clear" is an overstatement. TFA is an industry-leading expert expressing surprise at this state of affairs.
- notyourwork 5y ago
  What is not clear about the message that says exactly what this?
ElectronShak 5y ago
I'm generally of the impression that any phone with an unremovable battery is never truly "off" at any given time, unless the battery is totally damaged. PS: I like phones whose batteries are removable, currently use a Nokia Android with a removable one. One advantage is that when the phone drops down, it disintegrates, frame from battery, decreasing the overall impact on the phone.
- eth0up 5y ago
  A fair impression to remain under, I think. I remember using a low-energy bluetooth scanner and noticing a strange mac that shouldn't have been present. I really wanted to know wtf was broadcasting it. I searched and searched looking in stupid places. Eventually I settled down and began thinking clearly and looked at my speaker. Yeah, it was as off as the power button could make it, though still on. A good toss across the multi-acre yard and the signal faded accordingly.
- SilverRed 5y ago
  You can drop the phone in an RF blocking bag if you want to go off the grid.
  - dotancohen 5y ago
    The lack of signal is a sign that OP wants to go off the grid intentionaly, which is suspicious behaviour. There is no plausible deniability.
EastOfTruth 5y ago
> And IMO, it's a positive change although it does sound a little weird. It's a negative change that I didn't know about and yes, it is weird/wrong.
- rewtraw 5y ago
  I prefer to be able to locate my lost phone even if its powered off.
  - mavrc 5y ago
    i'd like to be able to store a phone on the shelf with a properly conditioned battery, to be able to disable the radios during flight, or frankly anywhere else I don't want to be located. Interesting how different people have different desires.
    - ecnahc515 5y ago
      So disable it when you turn off the device?
      - EastOfTruth 5y ago
        That should be the default?
  - EastOfTruth 5y ago
    ok NSA
fsckboy 5y ago
> They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you slightly tangential, I hate being informed of things when I try to do them. I'm in a hurry, I don't want to read all about something now. I wish the dialogs had an "email this to me, willya?" selection, with an opportunity to decide the long term setting that I want.
- arthurcolle 5y ago
  this lowers engagement metrics, so probably not going to happen
  - fsckboy 5y ago
    the modal dialog that interrupts my flow is forcing engagement, adding a choice doesn't change anything
  - letitbeirie 5y ago
    Depends how long your after-update tutorial is. We ran an A/B test on some 3-pane and 8-pane versions of these at my last job and on the long ones with a "dismiss" button IIRC it took our users something like 3.4 panes to hit it on average. The long ones without the dismiss button got people to view panes 7 and 8 a lot more often but there was a noticeable (albeit small) uptick in users who left the site entirely instead of finishing.
- SilverRed 5y ago
  Ultimately it doesn't really matter anyway. Unless you are the worlds most wanted criminal and Apple is working with the government to track you down via your turned off iphone. And in that case, you should have done your research to see this anyway. If the average user blows past this message, it has no impact on their life.
  - crossroadsguy 5y ago
    Yup. “Nothing to hide!”
karaterobot 5y ago
Data point: I'm an iphone user of average intelligence and attention span (you'll have to take my word for it), and I'm sure I saw this dialog. But if you'd asked me five minutes ago whether my iphone was findable when it was powered off, I'd have said "of course not, that's what being powered off means". So, either it's my fault for not having an eidetic memory about system dialogs I saw 11 months ago, or it's not a great design.
- jdavis703 5y ago
  But whenever you go to the power down mode a warning about offline location is displayed. There’s no need for an eidetic memory.
  - karaterobot 5y ago
    If that was a trick, it worked. No dialog though.
    - edmundsauto 5y ago
      Just checked (on the latest OS) and there's text right beneath the slider you use to turn it off. Tapping the link indicator in the text pops it up.
crossroadsguy 5y ago
I went to settings where you can toggle Find My Phone. It doesn’t say there that it’ll be findable even after I switched it off. I went to next screen it doesn’t even say it there. Then I clicked on “About Find My & Privacy..” it opened a huge T&C kinda thing text screen and I read until 3-4 paragraphs. It doesn’t mention it there either. So I think it’s a problem and Apple is anything but clear/straightforward about it.
- fastball 5y ago
  Have you tried turning your phone off? It literally tells you about this feature when you try. Not sure how much more clear Apple can be.
- kalleboo 5y ago
  If your phone is older than an iPhone 11 or you're not upgraded to iPhone 15 then you won't have this feature
burnte 5y ago
Because frankly a lot of us didn't know about it. Not everyone is aware of the same things. Some of us think that powering off a device should power it off.
gfodor 5y ago
If someone farts, do you react differently if they give you a heads up during release?
- throwaway744678 5y ago
  That is the perfectest analogy. Thank you, dear sir (madam)!
- BugWatch 5y ago
  I'll have to write this one down, right next to "If your friend jumps off a cliff, do you too?". I'd call this category "the motherisms". :)
beckman466 5y ago
> I'm not sure why this is presented as some new thing, or a gotcha or whatever this is. hmmm maybe because a monopolistic firm is repurposing the term 'power off'?
quitit 5y ago
Also worth mentioning: express transit pass/ student card system still works after the phone has switched itself off (i.e. reserve mode) It'll work for up to 8 hours until the phone is completely out of juice.

madeofpalk 5y ago

Yeah, there's a reasonably visible message "warning" you of this, which has a prompt to turn it off. I actually thought this was very old, added a year or so ago. I guess it got delayed? I've had two phones stolen (right out of my hands) that were immediately shut down and sim cards ejected to prevent them from being tracked. While I'm sure this feature wouldn't help me get back a phone, I hope it does deter this. Edit: I think this was announced back in 2019 WWWDC https://www.wired.com/story/apple-find-my-cryptography-bluetooth/ https://www.wired.com/story/apple-find-my-cryptography-bluet... ?

AniseAbyss 5y ago
The police in my country wouldn't even bother to check, they have rapists and drug dealers to deal with.
- handrous 5y ago
  Police in the US don't investigate any but very expensive property crime against individuals, either. And I don't actually know that they investigate very expensive property crime—I just assume they do. Certainly mid-five-figures of theft from multiple locations by one crew with tons of video evidence isn't enough to get them interested, beyond taking the report. ... unless your country is the US, in which case, yeah, true.
- roywiggins 5y ago
  Your police investigate rapes? Ours don't. https://www.wnyc.org/story/nypd-misled-public-about-response-metoo-report/ https://www.wnyc.org/story/nypd-misled-public-about-response...
  - gremloni 5y ago
    This comment could not be anymore hyperbolic.
    - roywiggins 5y ago
      Texas sat on untested rape kits for two decades https://www.texasobserver.org/activist-and-rape-survivor-lavinia-masters-on-the-battle-to-end-texas-rape-kit-backlog/ https://www.texasobserver.org/activist-and-rape-survivor-lav... It's getting a bit better, but it's still a problem: https://www.nycsouthpaw.com/p/texas-still-has-thousands-of-untested https://www.nycsouthpaw.com/p/texas-still-has-thousands-of-u...
- rurp 5y ago
  Yeah I'm baffled by all of the comments saying that this is great as an anti-theft feature. I don't know where people live that that's the case, but I sure as heck have never known police in the US to give a damn about $1000 property crimes. They don't care about $20000 home robberies and car thefts, even with strong video or other evidence. I can't imagine they're going to start chasing down criminals to get a used phone back unless it's for the mayor's kid or something.
  - krrrh 5y ago
    That aside, there was a massive decrease in iPhone thefts when activation locking was introduced with the original “find my”. Something like this could further deter the portion of thefts that end up funnelling through shady resellers.
  - sparker72678 5y ago
    It serves as anti-theft insofar as it makes it more of a pain generally to be in possession of a stolen phone. But yeah the police are not going to go get your iPhone back for you.
    - Fnoord 5y ago
      Lets not generalize, shall we? Police here in The Netherlands take care of stolen bikes. Its just a low success rate which skews our perception.
      - Talanes 5y ago
        And here in America, I got literally laughed at by my small-town police force as a teenager when I went to them with the exact house my stolen bike was sitting outside of.
        Fnoord 5y ago
        The Dutch police want to avoid that civilians 'play their own judge'. If the perpetrator and/or stolen object can be positively ID'ed this is a big plus for the public prosecutor to give a go ahead. What can happen then, is that the police try to buy the stolen good, catching the perpetrator red handed. This is the most effective path of getting a case succesfully put to trial. However, it is going to differ per local jurisdiction. Some Dutch police do have man power issues as well, just like some of USA has. On a side note: I don't like the attitude of laughing at civilians/victims who the police officer is supposed to serve. Its a kind of negative attitude which devalues the victims interest (I don't like the word toxic but others would apply it here), eventually harming trust in police in the process which (long term) benefits criminals. And what I also don't like is when such is generalized on all police, all around the world. The way you were treated flat out sucks.
- madeofpalk 5y ago
  Yeah, I'm sure the police wouldn't check either. I'm sure it wouldn't help me get my phone back but (perhaps paradoxically?) I hope it at least is a bit of a deterrent.
baby 5y ago
It was just added a few days ago, not a year ago.
arctics 5y ago
someone can just wrap your phone in aluminum foil, bye bye phone.
- Jtsummers 5y ago
  And they may, but the effort to steal an iPhone has been increased with this, and the difficulty in recovering a lost (not necessarily stolen) iPhone has been decreased. It's a win for the typical consumer.
  - dvcrn 5y ago
    Even getting around Activation Lock on a stolen iPhone is probably a lot of hassle unless you know a guy who knows a guy who can unlock it for you

Bilal_io 5y ago

Maybe they started showing the warnings recently, but this practice was in place for at least a few years. I remember reading an article by a journalist who was on a trip and his iPhone died. Later he discovered it still logged his locations, not only when off, but when dead (I assume the iPhone is designed to shut off with some juice left)

macintux 5y ago
Logging locations and being remotely findable are two separate features.

jackson1442 5y ago

Agreed. Of all the messiness in iOS's settings app, it's honestly pretty easy to find the setting to turn this off (iCloud > Find My > Find My network). The Twitter thread almost reads like someone who's trying to not understand what's happening. Not to mention the fact that there's a reminder of this setting every time you turn your phone off, which can be tapped to disable this behavior.

sixbrx 5y ago
Settings -> (Your Name/Apple ID ...) -> Find My -> Find My iPhone -> Find My Network in latest iOS.
- dylan604 5y ago
  Does 5 levels deep count as easy to find?
  - fingerlocks 5y ago
    You can just type "Find" in the huge text field at the top to filter out settings items. I rarely drop levels deep for anything.
    - NamTaf 5y ago
      I tried this and it specifically didn't work for me. I also coudln't find where it was (I was expecting in the privacy > location settings). Eventually found it, but I was surprised at how much I struggled.
  - Shank 5y ago
    From the power off menu, it gives you a temporary off button: https://files.catbox.moe/wd48tu.png https://files.catbox.moe/wd48tu.png
    - dylan604 5y ago
      That's like someone saying that fire is hot, but you respond with you can turn down the flame on the stove. While that may be true, you've completely dodged the original question.

hungryforcodes 5y ago

Wow, first I've heard of it. Seems to be enabled by default too -- I think users definitely are not "clear" about it.

wlesieutre 5y ago
The "slide to power off" prompt literally says "iPhone Findable after Power Off >" right under it every time, but 99% of users will never see it or care about this feature because no one ever turns their phone off. But if you're one of those few people who does turn the phone off, it says right there, and you can tap on it to shut down to unfindable state this time instead. Note that it requires a passcode to disable, which is key to this feature. If someone steals your phone it will remain findable unless they open it up and pull the battery.
- hungryforcodes 5y ago
  I turn off my phone but never that way. It either runs out of power or I hard reset it. Either way I don't want it spying on me.
  - wlesieutre 5y ago
    Hard reset doesn't have anything to do with this since it turns back on afterward. As far as letting the battery die, I think it's going to be much more common that someone loses their phone, the battery is dead, and this helps them figure out "whoops, I left it at the bar we went to after dinner." The power reserve for this only lasts a few hours, but if you don't want that feature you can turn it off.
  - ArchOversight 5y ago
    > Either way I don't want it spying on me. It literally isn't spying on you, it's allow you to find your after you've lost it.
    - serf 5y ago
      >It literally isn't spying on you, it's allow you to find your after you've lost it. almost no mobile device has a feature that is 'literally spying on you'. the problem is when the devices have so many features that they can be easily turned into a consummate spy device by any nearby paying agency. in other words : no mobile device is spying on you, but the people who control them definitely do, and they're often willing to sell the rights to do so to groups that are poorly vetted -- using a device with less capabilities necessarily gives the controlling party less options by which to gather data for whatever reasons they may be compelled to do so. so.. the phone, lacking sovereignty , does not spy on you; but it's a big leaky gps/imu-enabled microphone camera that sits in your pocket or purse all day, and the list of groups with access to that leaky data-pipe increases every day with little concern and little reform regarding data retention policies and ownership rights.

baybal2 5y ago

Some Android phone do this too to let NFC being usable when the phone is off.

sneak 5y ago

"very clear" is an overstatement. TFA is an industry-leading expert expressing surprise at this state of affairs.

notyourwork 5y ago
What is not clear about the message that says exactly what this?

ElectronShak 5y ago

I'm generally of the impression that any phone with an unremovable battery is never truly "off" at any given time, unless the battery is totally damaged. PS: I like phones whose batteries are removable, currently use a Nokia Android with a removable one. One advantage is that when the phone drops down, it disintegrates, frame from battery, decreasing the overall impact on the phone.

eth0up 5y ago
A fair impression to remain under, I think. I remember using a low-energy bluetooth scanner and noticing a strange mac that shouldn't have been present. I really wanted to know wtf was broadcasting it. I searched and searched looking in stupid places. Eventually I settled down and began thinking clearly and looked at my speaker. Yeah, it was as off as the power button could make it, though still on. A good toss across the multi-acre yard and the signal faded accordingly.
SilverRed 5y ago
You can drop the phone in an RF blocking bag if you want to go off the grid.
- dotancohen 5y ago
  The lack of signal is a sign that OP wants to go off the grid intentionaly, which is suspicious behaviour. There is no plausible deniability.

EastOfTruth 5y ago

> And IMO, it's a positive change although it does sound a little weird. It's a negative change that I didn't know about and yes, it is weird/wrong.

rewtraw 5y ago
I prefer to be able to locate my lost phone even if its powered off.
- mavrc 5y ago
  i'd like to be able to store a phone on the shelf with a properly conditioned battery, to be able to disable the radios during flight, or frankly anywhere else I don't want to be located. Interesting how different people have different desires.
  - ecnahc515 5y ago
    So disable it when you turn off the device?
    - EastOfTruth 5y ago
      That should be the default?
- EastOfTruth 5y ago
  ok NSA

fsckboy 5y ago

> They even give you a dialog prompt now to inform you slightly tangential, I hate being informed of things when I try to do them. I'm in a hurry, I don't want to read all about something now. I wish the dialogs had an "email this to me, willya?" selection, with an opportunity to decide the long term setting that I want.

arthurcolle 5y ago
this lowers engagement metrics, so probably not going to happen
- fsckboy 5y ago
  the modal dialog that interrupts my flow is forcing engagement, adding a choice doesn't change anything
- letitbeirie 5y ago
  Depends how long your after-update tutorial is. We ran an A/B test on some 3-pane and 8-pane versions of these at my last job and on the long ones with a "dismiss" button IIRC it took our users something like 3.4 panes to hit it on average. The long ones without the dismiss button got people to view panes 7 and 8 a lot more often but there was a noticeable (albeit small) uptick in users who left the site entirely instead of finishing.
SilverRed 5y ago
Ultimately it doesn't really matter anyway. Unless you are the worlds most wanted criminal and Apple is working with the government to track you down via your turned off iphone. And in that case, you should have done your research to see this anyway. If the average user blows past this message, it has no impact on their life.
- crossroadsguy 5y ago
  Yup. “Nothing to hide!”

karaterobot 5y ago

Data point: I'm an iphone user of average intelligence and attention span (you'll have to take my word for it), and I'm sure I saw this dialog. But if you'd asked me five minutes ago whether my iphone was findable when it was powered off, I'd have said "of course not, that's what being powered off means". So, either it's my fault for not having an eidetic memory about system dialogs I saw 11 months ago, or it's not a great design.

jdavis703 5y ago
But whenever you go to the power down mode a warning about offline location is displayed. There’s no need for an eidetic memory.
- karaterobot 5y ago
  If that was a trick, it worked. No dialog though.
  - edmundsauto 5y ago
    Just checked (on the latest OS) and there's text right beneath the slider you use to turn it off. Tapping the link indicator in the text pops it up.

crossroadsguy 5y ago

I went to settings where you can toggle Find My Phone. It doesn’t say there that it’ll be findable even after I switched it off. I went to next screen it doesn’t even say it there. Then I clicked on “About Find My & Privacy..” it opened a huge T&C kinda thing text screen and I read until 3-4 paragraphs. It doesn’t mention it there either. So I think it’s a problem and Apple is anything but clear/straightforward about it.

fastball 5y ago
Have you tried turning your phone off? It literally tells you about this feature when you try. Not sure how much more clear Apple can be.
kalleboo 5y ago
If your phone is older than an iPhone 11 or you're not upgraded to iPhone 15 then you won't have this feature

burnte 5y ago

Because frankly a lot of us didn't know about it. Not everyone is aware of the same things. Some of us think that powering off a device should power it off.

gfodor 5y ago

If someone farts, do you react differently if they give you a heads up during release?

throwaway744678 5y ago
That is the perfectest analogy. Thank you, dear sir (madam)!
BugWatch 5y ago
I'll have to write this one down, right next to "If your friend jumps off a cliff, do you too?". I'd call this category "the motherisms". :)

beckman466 5y ago

> I'm not sure why this is presented as some new thing, or a gotcha or whatever this is. hmmm maybe because a monopolistic firm is repurposing the term 'power off'?

quitit 5y ago

Also worth mentioning: express transit pass/ student card system still works after the phone has switched itself off (i.e. reserve mode) It'll work for up to 8 hours until the phone is completely out of juice.