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Why is no one talking about the privacy implications of 5G (and by no one I mean mainstream adoption efforts)? It feels like all the nutcase 5G conspiracy theor

Why is no one talking about the privacy implications of 5G (and by no one I mean mainstream adoption efforts)? It feels like all the nutcase 5G conspiracy theories are to distract from the real issue at hand, which is that the legal and societal framework to handle the fact that you need a mobile phone to function in a modern society (keeps getting worse) and that 5G can be used to track your whereabouts with sometimes better than gps precision simply do not exist. Even if such frameworks exist, I personally don't think i want cops to track me with precision even with a warrant. I am not against better tech, I am against lazy tech, there has to be a better solution!

squarefoot 5y ago
Also pretty much every car in a few years will be connected all time, so someone somewhere will always have the means to monitor its position, visited places, conversations, etc. There's no solution; in just a couple decades we transitioned from local private unconnected CCTV (shops, malls, etc.) to pervasive government surveillance in cities, and we adapted to it; from this to drones with cameras flying and connected 24/7 it's just a matter of time. And we'll also adapt to that. In due time it is entirely possible that each one of us will have a personal governmental drone constantly following us to prevent crime, though actually in our pocket we already carry one which cost nothing to governments.
- badrabbit 5y ago
  I know what you say is possible but that's my point. That's why we have laws. The government and corporations/feudals use to be able to do a lot worse but now we have laws and enforcement of those laws.
yoyohello13 5y ago
The fact that this software is named "Big Brother" is pretty on point.
thescriptkiddie 5y ago
5G is nothing but marketing wank. Carriers aren't deploying some new sci-fi technology, they are just incrementally upgrading their networks to a more recent (and backwards compatible) revision of the LTE standard.
- badrabbit 5y ago
  5G is a generation of cellular network tech that allows higeher frequency and more spread out (oversimplifying a bit) cell "towers". Even if you don't use 5G (or any tech at all) it can be used to track your movement with good precision.
  - thescriptkiddie 5y ago
    An optional part of the new LTE revision is support for millimeter wave radios. These radios have very short range and so you would need a lot of them, more like WiFi hotspots than cell towers. I guess that means that the carrier could geolocate you better, but only if you have a supported device and are very near a millimeter wave AP.
    - badrabbit 5y ago
      This is what i mean: https://sci-hub.st/downloads/2020-11-04/ff/guan2020.pdf?rand=61567790c6112 https://sci-hub.st/downloads/2020-11-04/ff/guan2020.pdf?rand...

squarefoot 5y ago

Also pretty much every car in a few years will be connected all time, so someone somewhere will always have the means to monitor its position, visited places, conversations, etc. There's no solution; in just a couple decades we transitioned from local private unconnected CCTV (shops, malls, etc.) to pervasive government surveillance in cities, and we adapted to it; from this to drones with cameras flying and connected 24/7 it's just a matter of time. And we'll also adapt to that. In due time it is entirely possible that each one of us will have a personal governmental drone constantly following us to prevent crime, though actually in our pocket we already carry one which cost nothing to governments.

badrabbit 5y ago
I know what you say is possible but that's my point. That's why we have laws. The government and corporations/feudals use to be able to do a lot worse but now we have laws and enforcement of those laws.

yoyohello13 5y ago

The fact that this software is named "Big Brother" is pretty on point.

thescriptkiddie 5y ago

5G is nothing but marketing wank. Carriers aren't deploying some new sci-fi technology, they are just incrementally upgrading their networks to a more recent (and backwards compatible) revision of the LTE standard.

badrabbit 5y ago
5G is a generation of cellular network tech that allows higeher frequency and more spread out (oversimplifying a bit) cell "towers". Even if you don't use 5G (or any tech at all) it can be used to track your movement with good precision.
- thescriptkiddie 5y ago
  An optional part of the new LTE revision is support for millimeter wave radios. These radios have very short range and so you would need a lot of them, more like WiFi hotspots than cell towers. I guess that means that the carrier could geolocate you better, but only if you have a supported device and are very near a millimeter wave AP.
  - badrabbit 5y ago
    This is what i mean: https://sci-hub.st/downloads/2020-11-04/ff/guan2020.pdf?rand=61567790c6112 https://sci-hub.st/downloads/2020-11-04/ff/guan2020.pdf?rand...