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> What will the outcome be? Judging by what we did in Afghanistan, not good. I hope we don't send thousands to die and/or kill other people. If they invade the

> What will the outcome be? Judging by what we did in Afghanistan, not good. I hope we don't send thousands to die and/or kill other people. If they invade the US, we fight, otherwise, we shouldn't be policing the world. I don't see the benefits of a war with China, or any other country at all.

emaginniss 5y ago
What if they decide they want to gobble up Taiwan, Vietnam, Japan, Australia, etc? Should we just sit back and say "it's not us, so this is fine?"
- jjoonathan 5y ago
  Does Taiwan have nukes? EDIT: google thinks no.
  - patagurbon 5y ago
    No, but they have been identified as a "nuclear latent state", in that they possess the capabilities to create one. How long that latency is I'm sure no one really knows.
  - protomyth 5y ago
    Hasn't the rumor always been that they got a nuke from Israel or South Africa?
- justicezyx 5y ago
  Legally Taiwan and Mainland are in a civil war for the legitimate government of the one China. One China is the "policy" of US China and Taiwan. Of course, Taiwan want to get rid of that. China will risk a nuclear war to prevent that, and US is OK with either, preferably let China bleed the most with minimal cost. These are as obvious as the sun hanging over the sky. China had no ambition for territorial expansion other than defending herself. That's the pattern for 2 thousands years. China indeed has historical claim over Taiwan and South China Sea. How strong that translate to modern legal system, that's up to debate. But extending China's territorial ambition beyond historical claims is not only disgenious, it's propaganda. Hi, propagandist?
  - emaginniss 5y ago
    Perhaps you haven't noticed that China has been building islands and claiming the sea around them. In fact, they claim the entire South China Sea as territorial waters. They routinely send their fishing fleets into the legitimate territorial waters of other nations. As they are starting to struggle again with the size of their population, expansion will seem like a natural solution.
    - justicezyx 5y ago
      > China has been building islands and claiming the sea around them Of cuz, that's known everywhere. Chinese netizens are ecstatic about this ingenious move that fenced off SEA countries from meddling the water area in any way that could affect China's claim over them. > They routinely send their fishing fleets into the legitimate territorial waters of other nations They are just self directed business man. Just like the numerous business man who invaded almost every Asian countries in the early 1900s. These fisherman would have been invading all-over the places if they were in 1900 as well. Of cuz, not like the 1900s, these fisherman are not going to be protected (very strongly) by their home country when they were caught. > they are starting to struggle again with the size of their population, expansion will seem like a natural solution. Well, almost everyone is expecting the population to be dwindling from now on. A lot have calling the recent census fake, because they all expect a population drop. Not sure why this population driven expansnism holds itself...
      - HyperRational 5y ago
        April 15th, 1989
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      The SCS is not claimed as territorial waters. In fact the claims are purposefully vague not just in content but also in scope in order to make it easy for China to negotiate them down in exchange for various concessions.
  - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
- masterof0 5y ago
  Are they going to gobble up Japan, Australia and Vietnam tho? I'd say nope, doesn't makes sense, for them. What's up with the war fetish? Do you enjoy watching people killing each other? I really don't understand.
- bllguo 5y ago
  I think citizens of the most violent nation in recent history should do some introspection before projecting their misdeeds onto others..
  - throwaway6734 5y ago
    How recent is recent history?
    - 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
      Clearly more recent than April 15th, 1989.
      - zeusk 5y ago
        or the on-going uyghur concentration camps
      - bllguo 5y ago
        Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, coup after coup in South America - you think Tiananmen was more reprehensible than any of these? I'll also remind you Tiananmen was internal, whereas all of our wars are just that - wars. Directed against other nations. edit: to clarify, I don't see how Tiananmen suggests China will go to war, but I do see how a sordid history of spurring violence across the globe suggests the US will go to war again.
    - bllguo 5y ago
      at least a century?
  - evilos 5y ago
    "What if X happens?" "Shut up, Y is bad." Uh.
    - bllguo 5y ago
      Okay, then give me the reasons to believe in imminent Chinese military aggression. And why I should take the word of a nation that has been basically ceaselessly at war for decades, off the heels of yet another senseless conflict in Afghanistan. I think you are projecting the warlike tendencies of the US onto China.
mrlonglong 5y ago
On the other hand, if China was to adopt the Taiwainese constitution and embrace democracy then yes, they could reunify.

emaginniss 5y ago

What if they decide they want to gobble up Taiwan, Vietnam, Japan, Australia, etc? Should we just sit back and say "it's not us, so this is fine?"

jjoonathan 5y ago
Does Taiwan have nukes? EDIT: google thinks no.
- patagurbon 5y ago
  No, but they have been identified as a "nuclear latent state", in that they possess the capabilities to create one. How long that latency is I'm sure no one really knows.
- protomyth 5y ago
  Hasn't the rumor always been that they got a nuke from Israel or South Africa?
justicezyx 5y ago
Legally Taiwan and Mainland are in a civil war for the legitimate government of the one China. One China is the "policy" of US China and Taiwan. Of course, Taiwan want to get rid of that. China will risk a nuclear war to prevent that, and US is OK with either, preferably let China bleed the most with minimal cost. These are as obvious as the sun hanging over the sky. China had no ambition for territorial expansion other than defending herself. That's the pattern for 2 thousands years. China indeed has historical claim over Taiwan and South China Sea. How strong that translate to modern legal system, that's up to debate. But extending China's territorial ambition beyond historical claims is not only disgenious, it's propaganda. Hi, propagandist?
- emaginniss 5y ago
  Perhaps you haven't noticed that China has been building islands and claiming the sea around them. In fact, they claim the entire South China Sea as territorial waters. They routinely send their fishing fleets into the legitimate territorial waters of other nations. As they are starting to struggle again with the size of their population, expansion will seem like a natural solution.
  - justicezyx 5y ago
    > China has been building islands and claiming the sea around them Of cuz, that's known everywhere. Chinese netizens are ecstatic about this ingenious move that fenced off SEA countries from meddling the water area in any way that could affect China's claim over them. > They routinely send their fishing fleets into the legitimate territorial waters of other nations They are just self directed business man. Just like the numerous business man who invaded almost every Asian countries in the early 1900s. These fisherman would have been invading all-over the places if they were in 1900 as well. Of cuz, not like the 1900s, these fisherman are not going to be protected (very strongly) by their home country when they were caught. > they are starting to struggle again with the size of their population, expansion will seem like a natural solution. Well, almost everyone is expecting the population to be dwindling from now on. A lot have calling the recent census fake, because they all expect a population drop. Not sure why this population driven expansnism holds itself...
    - HyperRational 5y ago
      April 15th, 1989
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    The SCS is not claimed as territorial waters. In fact the claims are purposefully vague not just in content but also in scope in order to make it easy for China to negotiate them down in exchange for various concessions.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
masterof0 5y ago
Are they going to gobble up Japan, Australia and Vietnam tho? I'd say nope, doesn't makes sense, for them. What's up with the war fetish? Do you enjoy watching people killing each other? I really don't understand.
bllguo 5y ago
I think citizens of the most violent nation in recent history should do some introspection before projecting their misdeeds onto others..
- throwaway6734 5y ago
  How recent is recent history?
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
    Clearly more recent than April 15th, 1989.
    - zeusk 5y ago
      or the on-going uyghur concentration camps
    - bllguo 5y ago
      Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, coup after coup in South America - you think Tiananmen was more reprehensible than any of these? I'll also remind you Tiananmen was internal, whereas all of our wars are just that - wars. Directed against other nations. edit: to clarify, I don't see how Tiananmen suggests China will go to war, but I do see how a sordid history of spurring violence across the globe suggests the US will go to war again.
  - bllguo 5y ago
    at least a century?
- evilos 5y ago
  "What if X happens?" "Shut up, Y is bad." Uh.
  - bllguo 5y ago
    Okay, then give me the reasons to believe in imminent Chinese military aggression. And why I should take the word of a nation that has been basically ceaselessly at war for decades, off the heels of yet another senseless conflict in Afghanistan. I think you are projecting the warlike tendencies of the US onto China.

mrlonglong 5y ago

On the other hand, if China was to adopt the Taiwainese constitution and embrace democracy then yes, they could reunify.