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FOIA requests show Apple’s emails pitching state agencies on IDs and Wallet app

231 points by danso 5y ago

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nojito 5y ago
Isn't the implementation the same between Android and iOS?
- marcellus23 5y ago
  Yeah, my understanding is that Apple is using a standard: > Apple’s mobile ID implementation supports the ISO 18013-5 mDL (mobile driver’s license) standard which Apple has played an active role in the development of, and which sets clear guidelines for the industry around protecting consumers’ privacy when presenting an ID or driver’s license through a mobile device. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/09/apple-announces-first-states-to-adopt-drivers-licenses-and-state-ids-in-wallet/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/09/apple-announces-first...
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literallyaduck 5y ago
"Just unlock your phone so we can ID you." Edit: How the technical implementation works is irrelevant to how the "boots on the ground" will use it. "We can't accept this until the device is unlocked." will be a common refrain. Or "I need the device to verify" while they eliminate your video record of the encounter. We just recently saw how Apple bends over for government demands.
- t3rabytes 5y ago
  Except that isn't how it works. > Only after authorizing with Face ID or Touch ID is the requested identity information released from their device, which ensures that just the required information is shared and only the person who added the driver’s license or state ID to the device can present it. Users do not need to unlock, show, or hand over their device to present their ID. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/09/apple-announces-first-states-to-adopt-drivers-licenses-and-state-ids-in-wallet/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/09/apple-announces-first...
  - blitzar 5y ago
    Sure makes collecting up ID's quicker if it is just tap and go. They should also log the transfer/recipient for the user. Wonder what kids are going to do for fake ID when you have to tap to get into the club...
    - borski 5y ago
      I can’t tell if you’re implying fake IDs are something we should try to keep around; I have no problem improving security for underage kids. Signed, someone who definitely did but shouldn’t have been clubbing at 14.
      - blitzar 5y ago
        I am implying that kids will find a way, for those of us that live in the free world and are adults at 18 it is less of a burden. For the poor souls in the US who come of age at 21, fake phones for id might be the new accessory.
        borski 5y ago
        Yes, some kids will find a way. I would have. But I have no problem making the barrier to entry higher, at least until parents start responsibly introducing their kids to alcohol or drugs instead of just pretending they don't exist or worse, arguing they are awful from a religious or otherwise zealous perspective. In a perfect world, parents would teach their kids about how to party responsibly, but we don't live in a perfect world. At the very least, when kids get older they can arguably make slightly better decisions (e.g. think more clearly) sometimes.
    - justahuman1 5y ago
      Hold someone else's phone?
      - DigitallyFidget 5y ago
        That's what concerns me. It wouldn't be unreasonable or impossible for this to happen. The physical IDs have a ton of security features to them. And that's actually not even required. It's NFC based tap, someone will find a way to exploit and spoof a valid ID.
blitzar 5y ago
I am no fan of digital ID's but did he really need a FOIA request to break open the idea that Apple were thinking of adding drivers license to their native app and talking to the DVLA in various states about it? >“How did it happen? Why had I or no one ever heard of it, given I know a lot of folks in the government tech space?” Apparently this guy doesnt know much ... but enough to waste some peoples time with useless FOIA requests. UK shows off prototype of digital iPhone driving license using Apple’s Wallet app - May. 13th 2016 11:06 am PT [1] Louisiana, where I live, was the first state to roll out a digital driver's license on July 3, 2018, and a few other states are working on similar initiatives. The app that you use in Louisiana is called LA Wallet. [2] [1] https://www.macrumors.com/2016/05/13/uk-digital-driving-license-wallet/ https://www.macrumors.com/2016/05/13/uk-digital-driving-lice... [2] https://www.iphonejd.com/iphone_jd/2018/07/review-la-wallet.html https://www.iphonejd.com/iphone_jd/2018/07/review-la-wallet....
- sumthinprofound 5y ago
  > I am no fan of digital ID's but did he really need a FOIA request to break open the idea that Apple were thinking of adding drivers license to their native app and talking to the DVLA in various states about it? He would need an FOIA request to each state DMV for documentation on the agencys' responses to Apple and any internal deliberation on the matter.
- johnm212 5y ago
  > Apparently this guy doesnt know much ... but enough to waste some peoples time with useless FOIA requests. I think this is really useful. Apple and Microsoft have some of the most sophisticated BD/partnership teams in the world. Many companies who partner with Apple use an internal codeword and don't let others within the company know the client, terms of the deal, or the scope of the work. Being able to see how Apple is approaching these deals is really interesting and valuable. They are going into 50 states and dealing with the DMV. The DMV has a reputation of being disorganized and not very technical. Apple has the opposite reputation. We are getting a front-row seat into how "disruption" happens. Even if partnership deals don't get you excited, having transparency into how private companies do business with the government is almost always a good thing.
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clairity 5y ago
state/federal agencies should never use any third-party software that exfiltrates any personal data of residents (especially google, which already infests governments & schools). it should be self-evident that this creates an irresistable incentive for the state and corporations to consolidate power, capital and influence against the populace.
- Loughla 5y ago
  >especially google, which already infests governments & schools Working in schools, I can assure you, google classroom and all the accompanying apps are not some cabal from the schools. They're free. That's the incentive. Also, I would ask, what is the other option? That the government builds and maintains specific programs for every function? How okay are you with taxes going up quite a bit? Because they will need to in order for the public sector to compete for talent with the private sector. My opinion is that these sorts of things don't need to be electronic, as paper is more secure anyway. But maybe I'm a Luddite. At the very least, I am privileged enough to have a career that allows me the flexibility to interact with government agencies if I need to. If I was still working retail, I could see how online services would definitely be a plus in time saved.
  - clairity 5y ago
    yes, the government should generally build the software they need to support essential functions for the populace, which certainly can include open-source/collaboratively-developed software, even the paid kind. we shouldn't allow government to decide to pay for software by gutting individual privacy and liberty. that goes counter to the spirit of our inalienable rights. also, "taxes will go up" arguments are at best naive. taxes (amounts/rates) have little correlation with supporting the essential needs of government. they're primarily employed to generate leverage, (unfair) economic gain, and power. public sector pay is uncompetitive because politicians and bureaucrats don't find competitive pay to serve those purposes. but yes, paper is perfectly fine technology for most educational purposes, relatively secure and private intrinsically.
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perf1 5y ago
Is the end Goal to make the internet only accessible via Digital ID and kill of the anonymity?
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- tw600040 5y ago
  I don't think that is the end goal. But obviously we need protections to make sure this doesn't lead to that case.
- ezfe 5y ago
  You could ask the same about Apple Pay: "Is the end Goal to make Apple Pay the only payment method supported on the internet and kill credit card numbers" Not only is there nothing to support your claim, there's no reason to believe this would be the next step if your claim was accurate. Instead, they'd just...require ID on the internet, it's not like that's not currently possible.
  - leecb 5y ago
    Is the end Goal to make conversation only accessible via the telephone and kill off in-person conversation?
  - sneak 5y ago
    There’s lots to support his claim. You can’t use Homepods without an iCloud account, you can’t get an iCloud account without an Apple ID, and you can’t get an Apple ID without providing a phone number and email address.
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  - Talanes 5y ago
    Verifying pictures of people's physical ID cards is much more involved than using a digital standard. It may be a big leap to say that implementing a Digital ID standard means that an ID-locked internet is the end goal, but it is a necessary step to reach that goal. A much bigger flaw in their reasoning is that it's unclear who "they" is. Apple? Why would they care beyond maybe locking their own services behind ID? Government? Because they don't seem to be even making a uniform push to get things implemented.
jasonpbecker 5y ago
The tone of this article is bizarre, ignoring the fact that Apple is implementing an ISO standard. It's interesting that states interpreted this conversation as a procurement conversation, since it's not clear the government is being asked to buy anything but instead to see where they are on the mDL standard and whether they'd be interested in participating in Apple's early phase release of support for that standard. The information is useful, but the whole framing is very strange and conspiratorial that's not supported by the emails or the facts.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  One formula for low hanging clickbait is <large organization> + <conspiratorial topic> = plausible deniability for exploring option of malicious intent regardless of lack of evidence. And due to their success, tech companies make for great candidates for <large organization>.
  - jonas21 5y ago
    This is also important to keep in mind when reading articles about less well-liked companies, e.g. Facebook, Amazon, etc.
    - fsflover 5y ago
      So Apple joined them now it seems.
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  - o8r3oFTZPE 5y ago
    Who invented "clickbait". What is the purpose of "clickbait". Non-profits supporting investigative journalism like MuckRock are to blame. MuckRock is not selling advertising, but don't be fooled. Investigative journalism will just create more clickbait. Whereas Big Tech companies have nothing to do with clickbait nor advertising. They are not spreading clickbait like non-profits that submit FOIA requests. Tech companies do not make money from clickbait nor eyeballs. Tech companies have sources of non-advertising revenue and legitimate business purposes that benefit society. In 2012, EFF filed over 200 FOIA requests through MuckRock, for information about drone usage. EFF should stop participating in these clickbait campaigns. EFF should be protecting Apple from low hanging clickbait. We should be thanking Big Tech companies not scrutinising them. They mind their own business, they do not try to learn what their users/customers are doing. They respect user/customer privacy. OTOH, these non-profits submitting FOIA requests do not respect the privacy of Apple and governments, who deserve to be left alone, to do their work in private. This is a basic human right. Why don't people trust Big Tech. Tech companies have done nothing wrong.
duxup 5y ago
This makes sense to me. Apple wants to have their wallet app hold some state IDs so they reach out to states to talk about how it might work or not work with them. The quotes from the technologist in the article just seem kinda random. I feel like those would be the basis for an article ... once you know them, but nothing in that article answers any of them or tell me that any of them are a problem.
PerkinWarwick 5y ago
Hey, at least they're not requiring a chip implant. Of course the phone OS people are going to do this. Judging from a few years of Live PD, every single person getting pulled over never ever has a valid ID, but always always has a cell phone that they clutch like their life depended on it. Anything in the article is just a detail that is being hashed out.
- rastafang 5y ago
  > Hey, at least they're not requiring a chip implant. Baby steps...
Lamad123 5y ago
This company wants to shipify the rest of society at all cost!!
bingohbangoh 5y ago
Well yeah, you can put your driver's license in your apple wallet in some states now.
monksy 5y ago
Good to see the IL was direct in rejecting the idea of an NDA. Meetings like this should not be hidden from public view since it involves decisions that affect the constituents. Also, Apple seems to have this backwards: The states don't operate on their product schedule. Nor should they.
Bud 5y ago
Good! Apple should be pitching beneficial technologies like this.
- CheezeIt 5y ago
  Making it easier to require people to carry papers is not beneficial.
Jedd 5y ago
Slightly aside -- I have never worked out why everyone calls it a "driver's licence" (or license), as every one I've ever seen, on all sides of the pond, is clearly labelled a "Driver Licence" in big bold letters. It doesn't appear to be an attempt at plural (obviously that'd be wrong in any case), and possessive doesn't make any sense in either this, or the common use, context.
- TulliusCicero 5y ago
  Driver's License as a possessive makes as much sense as Driver License. Driving License would probably make more sense, though.
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- elipsitz 5y ago
  I was curious, so I looked at list of pictures of each state's licenses. Based on https://www.insider.com/what-drivers-license-looks-like-in-every-state https://www.insider.com/what-drivers-license-looks-like-in-e...: 17 states say "Driver's License". Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia. Indiana and South Dakota actually call it an "Operator License", rather than "Driver" or "Driver's".
  - Jedd 5y ago
    Fantastic, and thank you. I'd searched for something like that, but was finding a mish-mash of USA state licence images. Did you count the other 33 as all having 'Driver license'? Not that that's terribly conclusive -- it looks like each licence design is performed without the benefits of an experienced sub-editor.
    - elipsitz 5y ago
      Yeah -- although Louisiana calls it a "Personal Driver's License", and New Jersey calls it an "Auto Driver License".
collegeburner 5y ago
Smh apple wants state ids to work so yeah they got to pitch states to get them onboard. Of all the things to go after this not one.
mark_l_watson 5y ago
I disagree with the article. I will choose to put my government documents as a backup in my Apple Wallet. I don’t care if other people choose not to, that is their decision.

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nojito 5y ago

Isn't the implementation the same between Android and iOS?

marcellus23 5y ago
Yeah, my understanding is that Apple is using a standard: > Apple’s mobile ID implementation supports the ISO 18013-5 mDL (mobile driver’s license) standard which Apple has played an active role in the development of, and which sets clear guidelines for the industry around protecting consumers’ privacy when presenting an ID or driver’s license through a mobile device. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/09/apple-announces-first-states-to-adopt-drivers-licenses-and-state-ids-in-wallet/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/09/apple-announces-first...

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literallyaduck 5y ago

"Just unlock your phone so we can ID you." Edit: How the technical implementation works is irrelevant to how the "boots on the ground" will use it. "We can't accept this until the device is unlocked." will be a common refrain. Or "I need the device to verify" while they eliminate your video record of the encounter. We just recently saw how Apple bends over for government demands.

t3rabytes 5y ago
Except that isn't how it works. > Only after authorizing with Face ID or Touch ID is the requested identity information released from their device, which ensures that just the required information is shared and only the person who added the driver’s license or state ID to the device can present it. Users do not need to unlock, show, or hand over their device to present their ID. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/09/apple-announces-first-states-to-adopt-drivers-licenses-and-state-ids-in-wallet/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/09/apple-announces-first...
- blitzar 5y ago
  Sure makes collecting up ID's quicker if it is just tap and go. They should also log the transfer/recipient for the user. Wonder what kids are going to do for fake ID when you have to tap to get into the club...
  - borski 5y ago
    I can’t tell if you’re implying fake IDs are something we should try to keep around; I have no problem improving security for underage kids. Signed, someone who definitely did but shouldn’t have been clubbing at 14.
    - blitzar 5y ago
      I am implying that kids will find a way, for those of us that live in the free world and are adults at 18 it is less of a burden. For the poor souls in the US who come of age at 21, fake phones for id might be the new accessory.
      - borski 5y ago
        Yes, some kids will find a way. I would have. But I have no problem making the barrier to entry higher, at least until parents start responsibly introducing their kids to alcohol or drugs instead of just pretending they don't exist or worse, arguing they are awful from a religious or otherwise zealous perspective. In a perfect world, parents would teach their kids about how to party responsibly, but we don't live in a perfect world. At the very least, when kids get older they can arguably make slightly better decisions (e.g. think more clearly) sometimes.
  - justahuman1 5y ago
    Hold someone else's phone?
    - DigitallyFidget 5y ago
      That's what concerns me. It wouldn't be unreasonable or impossible for this to happen. The physical IDs have a ton of security features to them. And that's actually not even required. It's NFC based tap, someone will find a way to exploit and spoof a valid ID.

blitzar 5y ago

I am no fan of digital ID's but did he really need a FOIA request to break open the idea that Apple were thinking of adding drivers license to their native app and talking to the DVLA in various states about it? >“How did it happen? Why had I or no one ever heard of it, given I know a lot of folks in the government tech space?” Apparently this guy doesnt know much ... but enough to waste some peoples time with useless FOIA requests. UK shows off prototype of digital iPhone driving license using Apple’s Wallet app - May. 13th 2016 11:06 am PT [1] Louisiana, where I live, was the first state to roll out a digital driver's license on July 3, 2018, and a few other states are working on similar initiatives. The app that you use in Louisiana is called LA Wallet. [2] [1] https://www.macrumors.com/2016/05/13/uk-digital-driving-license-wallet/ https://www.macrumors.com/2016/05/13/uk-digital-driving-lice... [2] https://www.iphonejd.com/iphone_jd/2018/07/review-la-wallet.html https://www.iphonejd.com/iphone_jd/2018/07/review-la-wallet....

sumthinprofound 5y ago
> I am no fan of digital ID's but did he really need a FOIA request to break open the idea that Apple were thinking of adding drivers license to their native app and talking to the DVLA in various states about it? He would need an FOIA request to each state DMV for documentation on the agencys' responses to Apple and any internal deliberation on the matter.
johnm212 5y ago
> Apparently this guy doesnt know much ... but enough to waste some peoples time with useless FOIA requests. I think this is really useful. Apple and Microsoft have some of the most sophisticated BD/partnership teams in the world. Many companies who partner with Apple use an internal codeword and don't let others within the company know the client, terms of the deal, or the scope of the work. Being able to see how Apple is approaching these deals is really interesting and valuable. They are going into 50 states and dealing with the DMV. The DMV has a reputation of being disorganized and not very technical. Apple has the opposite reputation. We are getting a front-row seat into how "disruption" happens. Even if partnership deals don't get you excited, having transparency into how private companies do business with the government is almost always a good thing.

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clairity 5y ago

state/federal agencies should never use any third-party software that exfiltrates any personal data of residents (especially google, which already infests governments & schools). it should be self-evident that this creates an irresistable incentive for the state and corporations to consolidate power, capital and influence against the populace.

Loughla 5y ago
>especially google, which already infests governments & schools Working in schools, I can assure you, google classroom and all the accompanying apps are not some cabal from the schools. They're free. That's the incentive. Also, I would ask, what is the other option? That the government builds and maintains specific programs for every function? How okay are you with taxes going up quite a bit? Because they will need to in order for the public sector to compete for talent with the private sector. My opinion is that these sorts of things don't need to be electronic, as paper is more secure anyway. But maybe I'm a Luddite. At the very least, I am privileged enough to have a career that allows me the flexibility to interact with government agencies if I need to. If I was still working retail, I could see how online services would definitely be a plus in time saved.
- clairity 5y ago
  yes, the government should generally build the software they need to support essential functions for the populace, which certainly can include open-source/collaboratively-developed software, even the paid kind. we shouldn't allow government to decide to pay for software by gutting individual privacy and liberty. that goes counter to the spirit of our inalienable rights. also, "taxes will go up" arguments are at best naive. taxes (amounts/rates) have little correlation with supporting the essential needs of government. they're primarily employed to generate leverage, (unfair) economic gain, and power. public sector pay is uncompetitive because politicians and bureaucrats don't find competitive pay to serve those purposes. but yes, paper is perfectly fine technology for most educational purposes, relatively secure and private intrinsically.
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perf1 5y ago

Is the end Goal to make the internet only accessible via Digital ID and kill of the anonymity?

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tw600040 5y ago
I don't think that is the end goal. But obviously we need protections to make sure this doesn't lead to that case.
ezfe 5y ago
You could ask the same about Apple Pay: "Is the end Goal to make Apple Pay the only payment method supported on the internet and kill credit card numbers" Not only is there nothing to support your claim, there's no reason to believe this would be the next step if your claim was accurate. Instead, they'd just...require ID on the internet, it's not like that's not currently possible.
- leecb 5y ago
  Is the end Goal to make conversation only accessible via the telephone and kill off in-person conversation?
- sneak 5y ago
  There’s lots to support his claim. You can’t use Homepods without an iCloud account, you can’t get an iCloud account without an Apple ID, and you can’t get an Apple ID without providing a phone number and email address.
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- Talanes 5y ago
  Verifying pictures of people's physical ID cards is much more involved than using a digital standard. It may be a big leap to say that implementing a Digital ID standard means that an ID-locked internet is the end goal, but it is a necessary step to reach that goal. A much bigger flaw in their reasoning is that it's unclear who "they" is. Apple? Why would they care beyond maybe locking their own services behind ID? Government? Because they don't seem to be even making a uniform push to get things implemented.

jasonpbecker 5y ago

The tone of this article is bizarre, ignoring the fact that Apple is implementing an ISO standard. It's interesting that states interpreted this conversation as a procurement conversation, since it's not clear the government is being asked to buy anything but instead to see where they are on the mDL standard and whether they'd be interested in participating in Apple's early phase release of support for that standard. The information is useful, but the whole framing is very strange and conspiratorial that's not supported by the emails or the facts.

lotsofpulp 5y ago
One formula for low hanging clickbait is <large organization> + <conspiratorial topic> = plausible deniability for exploring option of malicious intent regardless of lack of evidence. And due to their success, tech companies make for great candidates for <large organization>.
- jonas21 5y ago
  This is also important to keep in mind when reading articles about less well-liked companies, e.g. Facebook, Amazon, etc.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    So Apple joined them now it seems.
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- o8r3oFTZPE 5y ago
  Who invented "clickbait". What is the purpose of "clickbait". Non-profits supporting investigative journalism like MuckRock are to blame. MuckRock is not selling advertising, but don't be fooled. Investigative journalism will just create more clickbait. Whereas Big Tech companies have nothing to do with clickbait nor advertising. They are not spreading clickbait like non-profits that submit FOIA requests. Tech companies do not make money from clickbait nor eyeballs. Tech companies have sources of non-advertising revenue and legitimate business purposes that benefit society. In 2012, EFF filed over 200 FOIA requests through MuckRock, for information about drone usage. EFF should stop participating in these clickbait campaigns. EFF should be protecting Apple from low hanging clickbait. We should be thanking Big Tech companies not scrutinising them. They mind their own business, they do not try to learn what their users/customers are doing. They respect user/customer privacy. OTOH, these non-profits submitting FOIA requests do not respect the privacy of Apple and governments, who deserve to be left alone, to do their work in private. This is a basic human right. Why don't people trust Big Tech. Tech companies have done nothing wrong.

duxup 5y ago

This makes sense to me. Apple wants to have their wallet app hold some state IDs so they reach out to states to talk about how it might work or not work with them. The quotes from the technologist in the article just seem kinda random. I feel like those would be the basis for an article ... once you know them, but nothing in that article answers any of them or tell me that any of them are a problem.

PerkinWarwick 5y ago

Hey, at least they're not requiring a chip implant. Of course the phone OS people are going to do this. Judging from a few years of Live PD, every single person getting pulled over never ever has a valid ID, but always always has a cell phone that they clutch like their life depended on it. Anything in the article is just a detail that is being hashed out.

rastafang 5y ago
> Hey, at least they're not requiring a chip implant. Baby steps...

Lamad123 5y ago

This company wants to shipify the rest of society at all cost!!

bingohbangoh 5y ago

Well yeah, you can put your driver's license in your apple wallet in some states now.

monksy 5y ago

Good to see the IL was direct in rejecting the idea of an NDA. Meetings like this should not be hidden from public view since it involves decisions that affect the constituents. Also, Apple seems to have this backwards: The states don't operate on their product schedule. Nor should they.

Bud 5y ago

Good! Apple should be pitching beneficial technologies like this.

CheezeIt 5y ago
Making it easier to require people to carry papers is not beneficial.

Jedd 5y ago

Slightly aside -- I have never worked out why everyone calls it a "driver's licence" (or license), as every one I've ever seen, on all sides of the pond, is clearly labelled a "Driver Licence" in big bold letters. It doesn't appear to be an attempt at plural (obviously that'd be wrong in any case), and possessive doesn't make any sense in either this, or the common use, context.

TulliusCicero 5y ago
Driver's License as a possessive makes as much sense as Driver License. Driving License would probably make more sense, though.
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elipsitz 5y ago
I was curious, so I looked at list of pictures of each state's licenses. Based on https://www.insider.com/what-drivers-license-looks-like-in-every-state https://www.insider.com/what-drivers-license-looks-like-in-e...: 17 states say "Driver's License". Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia. Indiana and South Dakota actually call it an "Operator License", rather than "Driver" or "Driver's".
- Jedd 5y ago
  Fantastic, and thank you. I'd searched for something like that, but was finding a mish-mash of USA state licence images. Did you count the other 33 as all having 'Driver license'? Not that that's terribly conclusive -- it looks like each licence design is performed without the benefits of an experienced sub-editor.
  - elipsitz 5y ago
    Yeah -- although Louisiana calls it a "Personal Driver's License", and New Jersey calls it an "Auto Driver License".

collegeburner 5y ago

Smh apple wants state ids to work so yeah they got to pitch states to get them onboard. Of all the things to go after this not one.

mark_l_watson 5y ago

I disagree with the article. I will choose to put my government documents as a backup in my Apple Wallet. I don’t care if other people choose not to, that is their decision.