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They just can't compete with Google and their massive marketing budget and shady bait & switch business practices.

by tut-urut-utut 5y ago

vadfa 5y ago
Almost all wounds Mozilla has are self-inflicted.
- josefx 5y ago
  On Android Chrome has to be installed as preferred browser or the phone manufacturers get blocked from Googles other services. As much as I like to bash Mozillas leadership, Google has taken every shady (and sometimes illegal) shit 90s era Microsoft pulled and turned it up to eleven.
jacquesm 5y ago
They could, if they stopped doing all of their hobby stuff.
chii 5y ago
i dont think it's merely marketing budget, thought that helps. People who got marketed to convert, and hence, the product is indeed good based on this metric. Firefox does seem to lag behind in terms of performance, esp. on mobile. Firefox also has poorer video rendering speed i think - i get more skipped frames than chrome. I tolerate it, but many users don't. Firefox has some difficulty being deployed in an enterprise environment (aka, an organizationally managed profile, which chrome has). This has led to enterprises adopting chrome as a primary browser (over firefox), and this may lead to familiarity which causes them to also use chrome at home. There's a myriad of issues with firefox, and it is rooted at the organizational level, rather than the technical level, but these issues bleed down into the technical level.
- rejectfinite 5y ago
  >Firefox also has poorer video rendering speed i think - i get more skipped frames than chrome. I tolerate it, but many users don't. I do not have this problem in Firefox anymore. I used to but i updates fixed it. >Firefox has some difficulty being deployed in an enterprise environment (aka, an organizationally managed profile, which chrome has). This has led to enterprises adopting chrome as a primary browser (over firefox), and this may lead to familiarity which causes them to also use chrome at home. GPO exists for Firefox now and works great, I have implemented it. But what I actually see for enterprise customers is a move to MS Edge. The Windows account integration, control and the fact that on Windows 10 it has really good performance means there is no need for Chrome or FF unless Edge breaks (have had some issues with antivirus breaking it)

They just can't compete with Google and their massive marketing budget and shady bait & switch business practices.

vadfa 5y ago

Almost all wounds Mozilla has are self-inflicted.

josefx 5y ago
On Android Chrome has to be installed as preferred browser or the phone manufacturers get blocked from Googles other services. As much as I like to bash Mozillas leadership, Google has taken every shady (and sometimes illegal) shit 90s era Microsoft pulled and turned it up to eleven.

jacquesm 5y ago

They could, if they stopped doing all of their hobby stuff.

chii 5y ago

i dont think it's merely marketing budget, thought that helps. People who got marketed to convert, and hence, the product is indeed good based on this metric. Firefox does seem to lag behind in terms of performance, esp. on mobile. Firefox also has poorer video rendering speed i think - i get more skipped frames than chrome. I tolerate it, but many users don't. Firefox has some difficulty being deployed in an enterprise environment (aka, an organizationally managed profile, which chrome has). This has led to enterprises adopting chrome as a primary browser (over firefox), and this may lead to familiarity which causes them to also use chrome at home. There's a myriad of issues with firefox, and it is rooted at the organizational level, rather than the technical level, but these issues bleed down into the technical level.

rejectfinite 5y ago
>Firefox also has poorer video rendering speed i think - i get more skipped frames than chrome. I tolerate it, but many users don't. I do not have this problem in Firefox anymore. I used to but i updates fixed it. >Firefox has some difficulty being deployed in an enterprise environment (aka, an organizationally managed profile, which chrome has). This has led to enterprises adopting chrome as a primary browser (over firefox), and this may lead to familiarity which causes them to also use chrome at home. GPO exists for Firefox now and works great, I have implemented it. But what I actually see for enterprise customers is a move to MS Edge. The Windows account integration, control and the fact that on Windows 10 it has really good performance means there is no need for Chrome or FF unless Edge breaks (have had some issues with antivirus breaking it)