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Enlightened algorithms? Progressives ask Big Tech to censor 'bad' ideas

chuckee 5y ago
Paywalled.
- cratermoon 5y ago
  The Guardian with the story https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/sep/13/us-senators-condemn-amazon-for-promoting-anti-vaxxer-books https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/sep/13/us-senators-co...
- greenyoda 5y ago
  Archive with complete article: https://archive.is/kRvg8 https://archive.is/kRvg8
cratermoon 5y ago
Harmful speech and misinformation should not have a platform. Performative Hate Speech Acts. Perlocutionary and Illocutionary Understandings in International Human Rights Law: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334199177_PERFORMATIVE_HATE_SPEECH_ACTS_PERLOCUTIONARY_AND_ILLOCUTIONARY_UNDERSTANDINGS_IN_INTERNATIONAL_HUMAN_RIGHTS_LAW https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334199177_PERFORMAT... Oppressive Speech: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00048400802370334 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/000484008023703... Why We Should Ban Oppressive Speech Acts: https://publicseminar.org/essays/why-we-should-outlaw-oppressive-speech-acts/ https://publicseminar.org/essays/why-we-should-outlaw-oppres...
- chuckee 5y ago
  > Harmful speech and misinformation should not have a platform. Interesting phrasing. By using the word "and", you are saying that those are two different categories of speech, that do not totally overlap. Meaning you believe speech that is not misinformation, i.e. true, factual speech, should be banned, if it is deemed "harmful"?
  - cratermoon 5y ago
    Yes, if it is a harmful perlocutionary act.
    - chuckee 5y ago
      That's very abstract - could you give an example of harmful, true information, that you wish was banned?
      - cratermoon 5y ago
        I provided links to the information. Read them.
        chuckee 5y ago
        The first link only has the abstract available, that contains no such examples. The second link gives me an endless captcha. The closest to an example that I could find in the very verbose third link was the 'okay' hand gesture. Is that the kind of expressions you want banned? What about, for example, a website that catalogues black-on-white murders, and ignores white-on-black murders, would that be allowed, or is it harmful? What about the reverse? The third link also says anti-immigrant speech should be banned. Does that mean "I believe immigration should be reduced" gets censored? If anti-immigrant speech should be banned, does it then follow that anti-non-immigrant speech is also not permissible? E.g. statements disparaging the local majority population? When you say "harmful" speech, implicitly you mean "harmful to my values". Others see harm in speech that you find agreeable. But you are confident that the enforcers will share your values, and the speech that ends up banned won't be, for example, undermining the territorial integrity of China.
        cratermoon 5y ago
        Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

Paywalled.

cratermoon 5y ago
The Guardian with the story https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/sep/13/us-senators-condemn-amazon-for-promoting-anti-vaxxer-books https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/sep/13/us-senators-co...
greenyoda 5y ago
Archive with complete article: https://archive.is/kRvg8 https://archive.is/kRvg8

Harmful speech and misinformation should not have a platform. Performative Hate Speech Acts. Perlocutionary and Illocutionary Understandings in International Human Rights Law: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334199177_PERFORMATIVE_HATE_SPEECH_ACTS_PERLOCUTIONARY_AND_ILLOCUTIONARY_UNDERSTANDINGS_IN_INTERNATIONAL_HUMAN_RIGHTS_LAW https://www.researchgate.net/publication/334199177_PERFORMAT... Oppressive Speech: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00048400802370334 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/000484008023703... Why We Should Ban Oppressive Speech Acts: https://publicseminar.org/essays/why-we-should-outlaw-oppressive-speech-acts/ https://publicseminar.org/essays/why-we-should-outlaw-oppres...

chuckee 5y ago
> Harmful speech and misinformation should not have a platform. Interesting phrasing. By using the word "and", you are saying that those are two different categories of speech, that do not totally overlap. Meaning you believe speech that is not misinformation, i.e. true, factual speech, should be banned, if it is deemed "harmful"?
- cratermoon 5y ago
  Yes, if it is a harmful perlocutionary act.
  - chuckee 5y ago
    That's very abstract - could you give an example of harmful, true information, that you wish was banned?
    - cratermoon 5y ago
      I provided links to the information. Read them.
      - chuckee 5y ago
        The first link only has the abstract available, that contains no such examples. The second link gives me an endless captcha. The closest to an example that I could find in the very verbose third link was the 'okay' hand gesture. Is that the kind of expressions you want banned? What about, for example, a website that catalogues black-on-white murders, and ignores white-on-black murders, would that be allowed, or is it harmful? What about the reverse? The third link also says anti-immigrant speech should be banned. Does that mean "I believe immigration should be reduced" gets censored? If anti-immigrant speech should be banned, does it then follow that anti-non-immigrant speech is also not permissible? E.g. statements disparaging the local majority population? When you say "harmful" speech, implicitly you mean "harmful to my values". Others see harm in speech that you find agreeable. But you are confident that the enforcers will share your values, and the speech that ends up banned won't be, for example, undermining the territorial integrity of China.
        cratermoon 5y ago
        Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning