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> if you have institutions which push policies, empower candidates beyond the scenes There's nothing in your article that suggested that the organization in qu
by throwaway894345 5y ago
> if you have institutions which push policies, empower candidates beyond the scenes
There's nothing in your article that suggested that the organization in question was some sort of propaganda arm of the US government, and there's nothing undemocratic about advocating for one's interests. You might not agree with the advocacy, but "democracy" doesn't demand agreement.
> Of course this is not exclusive to the US, let's just say they lead the market of political BS, k?
I don't buy this at all. There are nations with actual propaganda departments, state-run censorship, bot nets, etc who actually directly attempt to influence elections.
Like all other countries, the US does advocate for its own interests abroad--this is called "diplomacy" and it's generally the least-bad kind of advocacy. However, unlike other countries, the US does possess a lot of clout (the world depends on America in large part for security and prosperity, however loath we are to admit that America or Americans serve a useful purpose).
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y agoBy the great gods of Gonzo! I'm not here to spoon feed, mentor, or lecture you on every single point you question. Furthermore it would be disrespectful to disturb your blissful ignorance. Dream in peace.
- Lammy 5y ago> There's nothing in your article that suggested that the organization in question was some sort of propaganda arm of the US government Yeah besides the name I guess https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanticism
- throwaway894345 5y agoI skimmed your link as well. If there’s something particularly damning about Atlanticism, it’s not jumping out at me. People keep sharing innocuous wikipedia links and then dropping the mic dramatically.
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y agoWell.. maybe they had another version in mind, and just posted the english one for ease of use, without realising it lacks the important section from their language? Try [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantiker#Kritik https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantiker#Kritik and use some translation like [2] https://www.deepl.com/translator https://www.deepl.com/translator [3] https://translate.google.com https://translate.google.com [4] https://translate.yandex.com https://translate.yandex.com They all suffice. Got the gist?
- throwaway894345 5y agoCould be, but it's not my problem. If they can't be bothered to paste the right link or a relevant snippet, I'm not going to do their work for them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y agoSame here. No spoon for you.
- raxxorrax 5y agoThere is a far larger background here and it has to do with resources. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland Take a note the date of the leaked phone conversation. Still, if it is perceived that the US is active in a European country right on the border of Russia, you have to think about the possibility that it might be seen as a threat. edit: Not saying the reaction is justified, just saying that it wasn't some random expansionist impulse.