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Your wording to me implies you assume the bonus is trivial. The whole point of incentive structures is to make the desires of the business match the rewards of

Your wording to me implies you assume the bonus is trivial. The whole point of incentive structures is to make the desires of the business match the rewards of the employee. > It would get a clear 'no' from me Seems kind of entitled to assume this view generalizes. Sure, I too have a cushy job and would prefer more time / less stress instead of more money. But that's a privileged place to be. It's a view derived from circumstances, not wisdom, even if a lack of wisdom may permit you to fail to realize this.

raxxorrax 5y ago
> But that's a privileged place to be. All too true but I think sharing is caring. I am aware of what a worker needs to achieve to be competitive in a first world nation. This has nothing to do with that, on the contrary, it just worsens working conditions for no discernible reason and surveillance software is unproductive baggage, but most importantly you imply that this productivity tuning would exempt the wage of workers being subject to market forces, which is quite a huge assumption and unproven I would say. The success of Amazon certainly didn't rely on that.
kahrl 5y ago
Yes, I'm sure the sweat shop workers enjoy working in a sweat shop. We're privileged, so who even knows if the poors know about holidays. Best to leave them to their hellhole.
- spywaregorilla 5y ago
  The working conditions of the poor and their low wages aren't especially relevant as to general idea of aligning compensation incentives to outcomes. It's fully possible to believe working conditions should be improved, base pay should be improved, AND that incentives for performance are reasonable.
- jjk166 5y ago
  If they chose to work in the sweat shop and are free to quit at any time but choose not to, then they probably do enjoy working in the sweat shop, or at least prefer it to the other options they have reasonable access to. Without understanding the nuances of their current situation, it is impossible to say what changes will actually improve the situation, and it is easily possible that well intentioned changes can make things substantially worse.
  - FormerBandmate 5y ago
    They said the exact same things about Triangle Shirtwaist era factory workers and their lives demonstrably improved massively after unionization
FormerBandmate 5y ago
The fact that his cushy job is in large part brought about by circumstances instead of wisdom just accentuates the need to improve the lives of people who don't have those circumstances. Amazon warehouse workers can't stand up to this but we can

raxxorrax 5y ago

> But that's a privileged place to be. All too true but I think sharing is caring. I am aware of what a worker needs to achieve to be competitive in a first world nation. This has nothing to do with that, on the contrary, it just worsens working conditions for no discernible reason and surveillance software is unproductive baggage, but most importantly you imply that this productivity tuning would exempt the wage of workers being subject to market forces, which is quite a huge assumption and unproven I would say. The success of Amazon certainly didn't rely on that.

kahrl 5y ago

Yes, I'm sure the sweat shop workers enjoy working in a sweat shop. We're privileged, so who even knows if the poors know about holidays. Best to leave them to their hellhole.

spywaregorilla 5y ago
The working conditions of the poor and their low wages aren't especially relevant as to general idea of aligning compensation incentives to outcomes. It's fully possible to believe working conditions should be improved, base pay should be improved, AND that incentives for performance are reasonable.
jjk166 5y ago
If they chose to work in the sweat shop and are free to quit at any time but choose not to, then they probably do enjoy working in the sweat shop, or at least prefer it to the other options they have reasonable access to. Without understanding the nuances of their current situation, it is impossible to say what changes will actually improve the situation, and it is easily possible that well intentioned changes can make things substantially worse.
- FormerBandmate 5y ago
  They said the exact same things about Triangle Shirtwaist era factory workers and their lives demonstrably improved massively after unionization

FormerBandmate 5y ago

The fact that his cushy job is in large part brought about by circumstances instead of wisdom just accentuates the need to improve the lives of people who don't have those circumstances. Amazon warehouse workers can't stand up to this but we can