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Matrix share metadata by default. Count them out. And they have no desire to switch from their Python based server.

bilal4hmed 5y ago
arent they building servers in Go and Rust ? https://matrix.org/docs/projects/server/conduit https://matrix.org/docs/projects/server/conduit https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite
- vfclists 5y ago
  Dendrite is their own project. Conduit is the project of another guy they don't get on with it. The Python server is a memory hog, and instead of rewriting it in a more performant language they have decided to scale horizontally instead. How is that feasible for the average guy who wants to run it on the their own server? https://matrix.org/blog/2020/11/03/how-we-fixed-synapses-scalability https://matrix.org/blog/2020/11/03/how-we-fixed-synapses-sca... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16747174 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16747174 After a $30 million funding round we should be seeing a lot better from them in the next few years. That python server ought to go.
  - kitkat_new 5y ago
    > and instead of rewriting it in a more performant language they have decided to scale horizontally instead. Dendrite is literally rewriting it in a more performant language > How is that feasible for the average guy who wants to run it on the their own server? The average guy likely doesn't host for thousands of people
    - krageon 5y ago
      > The average guy likely doesn't host for thousands of people The python server already has trouble if you subscribe to large rooms. I'm all for promoting Matrix (it's a great project), but the default server has warts and nobody is served by trying to hide them.
      - gefhfff 5y ago
        Trouble in the sense that the most resource intensive room makes Synapse use about 700 mb of RAM
        feanaro 5y ago
        Can confirm. I'm joined into Matrix HQ from a not-very-powerful VPS and a recent Synapse uses about 700M RAM and otherwise has no trouble handling it at all.
  - feanaro 5y ago
    > Dendrite is their own project. Conduit is the project of another guy they don't get on with it. Seems you've mixed something up. Dendrite is a matrix.org project, just like Synapse. Conduit is written by Timo Kösters who is currently employed by Famedly and is on good terms with both matrix.org and Element staff. They frequently cooperate.
EGreg 5y ago
Yeah, I agree. I am simply counting them due to their future plams to do E2E peer to peer networks. What I would really LOVE to see is just decentralized backends that can be accessed via a growing number of https gateways by a widget on any website, and used to sideload code that will run apps and update apps. That will be an uncensorable app store (unless you censor all websites, or sniff all https packets and block ones that seem like they follow this protocol). If only Apple/Google would allow us the ability to run our own notification servers…
feanaro 5y ago
You say "share metadata" like this is meaningful without specifying what is meant by that exactly.
- vfclists 5y ago
  https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/matrix-vs-xmpp https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/matrix-vs-xmpp They also have a nasty habit of flagging posts which don't show them in a good light.

arent they building servers in Go and Rust ? https://matrix.org/docs/projects/server/conduit https://matrix.org/docs/projects/server/conduit https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite

vfclists 5y ago
Dendrite is their own project. Conduit is the project of another guy they don't get on with it. The Python server is a memory hog, and instead of rewriting it in a more performant language they have decided to scale horizontally instead. How is that feasible for the average guy who wants to run it on the their own server? https://matrix.org/blog/2020/11/03/how-we-fixed-synapses-scalability https://matrix.org/blog/2020/11/03/how-we-fixed-synapses-sca... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16747174 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16747174 After a $30 million funding round we should be seeing a lot better from them in the next few years. That python server ought to go.
- kitkat_new 5y ago
  > and instead of rewriting it in a more performant language they have decided to scale horizontally instead. Dendrite is literally rewriting it in a more performant language > How is that feasible for the average guy who wants to run it on the their own server? The average guy likely doesn't host for thousands of people
  - krageon 5y ago
    > The average guy likely doesn't host for thousands of people The python server already has trouble if you subscribe to large rooms. I'm all for promoting Matrix (it's a great project), but the default server has warts and nobody is served by trying to hide them.
    - gefhfff 5y ago
      Trouble in the sense that the most resource intensive room makes Synapse use about 700 mb of RAM
      - feanaro 5y ago
        Can confirm. I'm joined into Matrix HQ from a not-very-powerful VPS and a recent Synapse uses about 700M RAM and otherwise has no trouble handling it at all.
- feanaro 5y ago
  > Dendrite is their own project. Conduit is the project of another guy they don't get on with it. Seems you've mixed something up. Dendrite is a matrix.org project, just like Synapse. Conduit is written by Timo Kösters who is currently employed by Famedly and is on good terms with both matrix.org and Element staff. They frequently cooperate.

EGreg 5y ago

Yeah, I agree. I am simply counting them due to their future plams to do E2E peer to peer networks. What I would really LOVE to see is just decentralized backends that can be accessed via a growing number of https gateways by a widget on any website, and used to sideload code that will run apps and update apps. That will be an uncensorable app store (unless you censor all websites, or sniff all https packets and block ones that seem like they follow this protocol). If only Apple/Google would allow us the ability to run our own notification servers…

feanaro 5y ago

You say "share metadata" like this is meaningful without specifying what is meant by that exactly.

vfclists 5y ago
https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/matrix-vs-xmpp https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/matrix-vs-xmpp They also have a nasty habit of flagging posts which don't show them in a good light.