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It's wrong when you focus ONLY on prisons. That's the thing people miss from the conversations. Those who want to abolish police and prisons aren't just saying

It's wrong when you focus ONLY on prisons. That's the thing people miss from the conversations. Those who want to abolish police and prisons aren't just saying shut them down and we're all good. They're saying shut them down and spend money in directly increasing the quality of life for people. Crimes increase as poverty and class divide increases. Decrease those and you've actually managed to solve the source of the problem, rather than trying to find a solution for the consequence (increase in violent crimes).

AuryGlenz 5y ago
Alternatively, people that aren’t intelligent and/or have impulsivity issues have a hard time holding down jobs - and those people very well might still commit crimes even after throwing money at them. A classmate of mine had a successful tile laying business. He got on meth. He put cameras in people’s homes. He stole things. He then tied up a girl and raped her all night.
- aaomidi 5y ago
  "people that aren’t intelligent and/or have impulsivity issues have a hard time holding down jobs" So why does the US have more of this? All of these descriptions ignore that America is seemingly the worst place out of everywhere for this? Why?
  - s1artibartfast 5y ago
    Poor broken families & communities with low education and few options generate large numbers of such people. A simple look at the background of violent offenders shows this. This is partially an economic problem, but also has social roots with multigenerational feedback loops. >50% of violent offenders were physically abused, raped, or neglected by parents. Many were unwanted or abandoned by one or more parents.
  - Zababa 5y ago
    I would guess it's the long-term consequences of the slave trade/labor and the inequalities that stems from it. America isn't the worst place, but it's the worst "first world country", and first world countries usually don't have that history.

AuryGlenz 5y ago

Alternatively, people that aren’t intelligent and/or have impulsivity issues have a hard time holding down jobs - and those people very well might still commit crimes even after throwing money at them. A classmate of mine had a successful tile laying business. He got on meth. He put cameras in people’s homes. He stole things. He then tied up a girl and raped her all night.

aaomidi 5y ago
"people that aren’t intelligent and/or have impulsivity issues have a hard time holding down jobs" So why does the US have more of this? All of these descriptions ignore that America is seemingly the worst place out of everywhere for this? Why?
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  Poor broken families & communities with low education and few options generate large numbers of such people. A simple look at the background of violent offenders shows this. This is partially an economic problem, but also has social roots with multigenerational feedback loops. >50% of violent offenders were physically abused, raped, or neglected by parents. Many were unwanted or abandoned by one or more parents.
- Zababa 5y ago
  I would guess it's the long-term consequences of the slave trade/labor and the inequalities that stems from it. America isn't the worst place, but it's the worst "first world country", and first world countries usually don't have that history.