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This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the co

This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

Phileosopher 5y ago
Same sentiment, and that's how I found Linux. I've now made it a solemn vow to convert every daily driver I have to dual-boot Win/Linux when it's a >100GB HD.
- brianwawok 5y ago
  My XPS 13 on Ubuntu while sleping randomly turns on in my backpack and tries to melt a hole/burns the battery to 0. So I think at least SOME of it might be hardware related.
  - Godel_unicode 5y ago
    The takeaway from this thread is that there is no platform safe from this issue.
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      The probability of the issue happening seems to be meaningfully far less on certain operating systems than others.
      - Godel_unicode 5y ago
        I don't see how you can possibly make any meaningful conclusions about relative probability from this thread.
        lotsofpulp 5y ago
        It is not from this thread, but my experience over the last 15 to 20 years. I have seen lots and lots of people, including myself, close MacBook lids, toss it in a bag, and start walking. But I do not see that with non MacBooks. It was so notable to me that it led me to decide to look into switching to MacBook Airs.
        Godel_unicode 5y ago
        And you believe your experience is statistically significant.
        Phileosopher 5y ago
        n=1, but we still weight it x20 because we have the most data on it.
        Godel_unicode 5y ago
        I'm really exhausted by this trend of people adding the word "probability" to their argument because they think it makes it stronger. Just no.
    - reilly3000 5y ago
      *except Macs. I daily drive my desktop with Linux and occasionally game with Windows (it’s set up to be my driver as well with WSL2, but that happens rarely). I’ll only use Mac laptops. I’ve screwed around with others, but for about 18 years they have been the only ones that have been reliable, with good build quality, and no molten backpacks yet.
      - smoldesu 5y ago
        I've had nothing but problems with Apple's "Power Nap" functionality. I remember three discrete issues with my 2014 MBP (Quartz would randomly crash out of naps when connected to external displays, the topcase frequently felt mysteriously warm and my media controls would freak out forcing me to close spotify/firefox before closing it) Ironically, the only time I've seen it behaving as-intended was when I had my T460p running MacOS with photo analysis disabled. I'm guessing it's an ACPI issue, since Apple's track record with the technology is shaky.
      - wldlyinaccurate 5y ago
        I've had the opposite experience with Macbooks. WiFi randomly dropping out, battery dying overnight while the laptop is closed, external display settings not being persisted, randomly switching from my external microphone to the built-in one halfway through a call... Sometimes reading through these threads I feel like the only person in the world who has somehow had three faulty Macbooks in a row. I've now had three generations of XPS 13 with Ubuntu. They're not perfect (the battery drains over 3 or 4 days instead of overnight) but overall my experience has been much better.
      - marcosdumay 5y ago
        There are some people reporting problems with Macs on this thread... What is bad, because if there were one platform that would avoid this problem it would be Macs. But anyway, my phone does that once in a while too... Phones also shouldn't do it. It's not even a hard problem to solve. There is a single piece of code that wakes a device up, you just have to not call it everywhere. If you don't control all the code, just require some kind of permission, and don't go granting it to the team that writes the system updater.
    - laurent92 5y ago
      Should airplanes forbid PC laptops? It’s more serious than laptops committing suicide in bags. It’s, anything with a high-energy battery can short itself and cause a fire. Worse, it could be malware or hardware. At this point I am surprised the vulnerability hasn’t been used by anyone.
      - dragontamer 5y ago
        Airplanes have bags/boxes to throw li-ion batteries into and extinguish any particular fire. The law is that you can only bring aboard Li-ion batteries of size 100 watt-hrs or smaller on any airplane (https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/lithium-batteries-more-100-watt-hours https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/...). I think the airline crews are confident they can handle 100 watt-hours worth of burning, but no more than that!
        drjasonharrison 5y ago
        You can't extinguish a lithium ion battery fire by smothering it. The fire creates its own oxygen. You can contain the fire, and you can immerse it in enough water that it cools below the burning temperature and shorts out through the water.
        dragontamer 5y ago
        https://youtu.be/oa_yao1DC1U https://youtu.be/oa_yao1DC1U https://youtu.be/LCFsmHLDuyg https://youtu.be/LCFsmHLDuyg I'm not sure if they are smothering the fire. The strategy seems like it's just a safe place to keep the fire until later. You won't have buckets and buckets of water on an airplane. You need a solution to safely contain the fire and keep the passengers safe.
    - oliv3r 5y ago
      but very easily fixed as written above :)
  - switchbak 5y ago
    Same here on an XPS 15, damn thing was so hot I was worried about it catching fire.
  - oliv3r 5y ago
    As I understood it, it's an ACPI configuration, more or less 'forced' by Microsoft, to ensure this cool new S0 is the default. See [0] [1] and [2]. The fix/work-around is to tell the kernel to not do that, and just use traditional S3 sleep. Adding `mem_sleep_default=deep` to your kernel cmdline should fix it. Been doing this on my XPS13 for 3 years now and it's fine. [0] https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199689 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199689 [1] https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS-13-9370-battery-drain-in-sleep-mode/td-p/6098095 https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS-13-9370-battery-drain... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/8b6eci/xp_13_9370_battery_drain_while_suspended/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/8b6eci/xp_13_9370_bat...
    - MertsA 5y ago
      Dell has "fixed" that problem by disabling S3 sleep on certain laptops. Not even kidding, the ACPI tables don't have S3 sleep as an option and it's not even some matter of OSI string trickery either.
    - broknbottle 5y ago
      S3 is no longer available on newer XPS notebooks (e.g. 9310). S0ix works fine with Linux but I've found it typically requires tweaking and testing. dmesg | grep ACPI | grep supports [ 0.193967] ACPI: (supports S0 S4 S5) sudo cat /sys/power/mem_sleep [s2idle] https://01.org/blogs/qwang59/2018/how-achieve-s0ix-states-linux https://01.org/blogs/qwang59/2018/how-achieve-s0ix-states-li... https://01.org/blogs/rzhang/2015/best-practice-debug-linux-suspend/hibernate-issues https://01.org/blogs/rzhang/2015/best-practice-debug-linux-s...
  - jokethrowaway 5y ago
    I used to disable all ACPI signals (keys and lid) for exactly this reason on my Macbook 2015 running linux. Not the most comfortable, as you have to manage sleep manually, but definitely the safest.
- ayushnix 5y ago
  Ah right, Linux, the platform where suspend and resume doesn't even work and hibernation is a mess. AMD https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-S2idle-Fix-Linux-5.15 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-S2id... s2idle is broken and I have an AMD thinkpad with deep sleep and even that doesn't suspend 80% of the time. Intel (search for 'deep' and 's2idle') https://community.frame.work/t/ubuntu-21-04-on-the-framework-laptop/2722/3 https://community.frame.work/t/ubuntu-21-04-on-the-framework... I already know the replies I might get but just wanted to get this out there. My laptop is now on 24x7 because I don't know if it will suspend or completely freeze.
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  - Groxx 5y ago
    This has been my experience as well, with a fairly wide variety of nixes/bsds/etc and a half a dozen different machines. Now I just disable it completely and tell it to shut down when I close the lid, and wait like 15s. If the fans and lights don't stop "soon", I know it's having problems turning off. It's much better than the random freezes, or boiling alive in a backpack before draining all battery power.
  - jokethrowaway 5y ago
    I never understood why I should be hibernating instead of suspending so I can't talk about that - but I haven't seen a laptop unable to suspend for years. That could be luck and not buying laptops with terrible linux support but I wouldn't paint the situation as this tragic. The experience out of the box is still crap because the ACPI signals from the hardware are often a complete mess - but disabling most of them generally works.
    - ayushnix 5y ago
      > and not buying laptops with terrible linux support but I wouldn't paint the situation as this tragic. Please tell me the name of a laptop which has excellent support for Linux. At this point, I'm ready to go out of my way to spend more money than I can afford if that gets me excellent Linux compatibility. I know, for a fact, that AMD based ThinkPads don't qualify. The Intel based FrameWork laptop has issues with suspend resume as well.
samstave 5y ago
"Not melting a hole" Ha! While not related to the bag issue, I had a 15" MBP literally catch fire in my bed while I was asleep. I fell asleep wat hing Netflix or some such and the macbook caught fire and woke me up. It was in the recall batch for batteries at that time. I took it to apple flagship SF store. They had the FN machine for two months then came back and said that at some point the moisture sensor went off and due to this reason they would not honor the battery recall or address the fact it caught on fire and the "apologized" for the potential "safety hazaard" They told me my option was to buy a new one, or take it to a 3ed party repair place and have it repaired for more than the machine was worth. I haven't bought another mac since, and I have switched from iPhones entirely, even though I have had an iPhone since day one.
- dboreham 5y ago
  Were you binge watching "Halt and Catch Fire"?
  - samstave 5y ago
    Ironically, that was about the same time it came out...
- withinboredom 5y ago
  Did you say that water was the reason the fire didn’t spread? If so, I’d love to hear how they “proved” it got wet before the fire started.
bobbylarrybobby 5y ago
Forget the overheating — the fact that Macs will save all your work when shutting down, and will refuse to shut down if this is not possible (for instance if some app that doesn’t support autosave (MS office) has unsaved work, or if there are terminal jobs running). Can’t imagine how anyone tolerates their computer just obliterating their work.
- oauea 5y ago
  So just like Windows since... 7? Or something like that. I can guarantee you that a Mac will still shut down when its battery is empty. Unfortunately Apple hasn't yet cracked unlimited power.
  - internet2000 5y ago
    Macs sleep on low battery, then hibernate RAM contents to disk when really really empty. You never lose data.
    - oauea 5y ago
      Right, so the same as Windows.
      - nikau 5y ago
        A common theme I've noticed with the most ardent mac fans is they haven't used a windows machine since windows 95 and seem to think osx has all these magic features windows users are missing out on. I use mac and windows daily, and they both have similar amounts of annoying niggling features.
        siva7 5y ago
        I've used Windows in its most recent Version on a high-end Dell issued by my company and can confirm all reports here about losing data and overheating. The Macbook simply works out of box but i can't get the Windows Machine to work in a sane way without 50/50 chance of losing all battery or data after closing the lid...
davrosthedalek 5y ago
Be careful. My Macbook Pro cooked it's display twice. Some program made it not go to sleep when I closed the lid, I put it in my backpack, and it overheated the display so much that I had yellow-brownish spots (which followed gravity over time). No way to check if it's sleeping when the lid is closed, because reasons...
- ganoushoreilly 5y ago
  We have a few users that leave clamshell mode while working at home and the past year never opened their laptops. Same thing. Permanent heat stain on the display in the form of the keyboard. Granted that's more than just sleeping issues, but it's definitely something that happens.
- TheSpiceIsLife 5y ago
  I once had told Caffeine not to sleep my 2014 MBPr when the lid was shut and later put it in my backpack. Why the frak doesn’t the laptop have an over temp shutdown feature? iPhones so, trying leaving one in the sun for a bit.
  - cooljacob204 5y ago
    Caffeine shouldn't prevent it from sleeping anymore anymore unless you have an HDMI plugged in it.
    - GekkePrutser 5y ago
      Yes and Macs have worked like that since the PPC days. Display closed + no external display connected = sleep. Removing said display will also make it sleep. I guess it's a bug or some monitoring service that crashed.
    - TheSpiceIsLife 5y ago
      Perhaps it was Amphetamine with the relevant setting to prevent sleep with built-in display closed.
toast0 5y ago
Just make sure you close Outlook before you close your lid. Not that Outlook is a good choice for mail, but corporations seem to like it, but at least in my experience, it somehow signals Mac OS to drain the battery.
BluePen8 5y ago
Same, I was in university and kept showing up to class with my Dell Inspiron having killed it's own battery in my bag regardless how carefully I put it into sleep/hibernate. Or I'd find it nearly dead and burning hot, fans spun up wildly, in the process of cooking it's own motherboard. It heat suicided itself through 2 motherboards during the 1 year warranty. I have my complaints about MacBooks, but at least I had a laptop I could count on being reliable and ready to work when I showed up to class every day. I couldn't trust the Dell, making it absolutely worthless.
- radicalbyte 5y ago
  The best thing with Dell is when you've shut it down properly, but it somehow finds a way to turn itself back on in your bag. Then when you get home your bag is 50c and battery dead.
mjaniczek 5y ago
One interesting tidbit is that Macbooks will (don't know since when) start booting up if you press any key after having shut the laptop down. That's a bummer when you want to go clean your keyboard and don't want the laptop running at the same time.
- astockwell 5y ago
  I believe this is just if it's sleeping with the lid open. If you go to Apple > Shut down... and let it complete, it will not turn back on unless you press the power button.
  - Toutouxc 5y ago
    Nope, not anymore. This used to work for my 2013 MBP, but even if I completely shut down my M1, it will start booting upon any interaction. Opening the lid => starts booting. Pressing any key => starts booting. Clicking the trackpad => starts booting. Which is funny, because the trackpad doesn't physically click anymore, it just reacts to pressure, and only if it's a finger pressing on it (you can't click it with any object), and all that it still working when the computer is "shut down", i.e. you can't click the trackpad with a pen, but you can with your finger and it will turn the MacBook on.
- code_duck 5y ago
  Same issue here. 2020 Intel MBP, and when fully shutdown, pressing any key will turn it on. I would far prefer have a single, explicit power button. They even have one that seems as if it should be the power button (the touch ID sensor/key).
WD-42 5y ago
Doesn't Macos also do this? I think it's called "Power Nap" Difference is you can just turn it off... whereas in Windows it seems like it's a complete mess. I've been using Linux for the last 15 years. Had my fair share of issues with suspend. But at least once a laptop was in a state, it tended to stay there. Whether it would resume was another story :P
no1lives4ever 5y ago
Well my MBP 16 and before that my original 13" rMBP both did unscheduled wake ups and ending up super hot when being transported in my backpack. With the MBP 16, it took me a few days to detect the unscheduled wake ups, setup logging to now show private and then debug and fix the issue.
masto 5y ago
I have had multiple Mac laptops that were burning hot when I pulled them out of my bag. My iPhone also occasionally tries to melt my pocket. These are not issues that Apple is immune to.
- broknbottle 5y ago
  I never really experienced this kind of issue until I was given a corporate macbook by my current employer. I suspect this is due to all the "security" software that comes pre-installed by IT. The software is constantly a source of performance related issues, IO seems to be a big one as if it's constantly checking / scanning.
pfooti 5y ago
FWIW I had a similar behavior on my (work) MacBook pro for a while. I'd unplug it from my screen for the weekend and find it overheated with a dead battery. Turns out I kept bumping the Bluetooth mouse which kept waking it up, and it would stay awake for a while, even with the screen closed. Disabling the permission for Bluetooth devices to wake it fixed it, but I had a couple of Mondays where I couldn't do anything for a half hour while the machine charged up enough to boot.
test001only 5y ago
MacOS continues to connect with Wifi even when the lid is closed and it is suppose to be sleeping. Both Windows and MacOS does not honour the contract with the users.

Phileosopher 5y ago

Same sentiment, and that's how I found Linux. I've now made it a solemn vow to convert every daily driver I have to dual-boot Win/Linux when it's a >100GB HD.

brianwawok 5y ago
My XPS 13 on Ubuntu while sleping randomly turns on in my backpack and tries to melt a hole/burns the battery to 0. So I think at least SOME of it might be hardware related.
- Godel_unicode 5y ago
  The takeaway from this thread is that there is no platform safe from this issue.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    The probability of the issue happening seems to be meaningfully far less on certain operating systems than others.
    - Godel_unicode 5y ago
      I don't see how you can possibly make any meaningful conclusions about relative probability from this thread.
      - lotsofpulp 5y ago
        It is not from this thread, but my experience over the last 15 to 20 years. I have seen lots and lots of people, including myself, close MacBook lids, toss it in a bag, and start walking. But I do not see that with non MacBooks. It was so notable to me that it led me to decide to look into switching to MacBook Airs.
        Godel_unicode 5y ago
        And you believe your experience is statistically significant.
        Phileosopher 5y ago
        n=1, but we still weight it x20 because we have the most data on it.
        Godel_unicode 5y ago
        I'm really exhausted by this trend of people adding the word "probability" to their argument because they think it makes it stronger. Just no.
  - reilly3000 5y ago
    *except Macs. I daily drive my desktop with Linux and occasionally game with Windows (it’s set up to be my driver as well with WSL2, but that happens rarely). I’ll only use Mac laptops. I’ve screwed around with others, but for about 18 years they have been the only ones that have been reliable, with good build quality, and no molten backpacks yet.
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      I've had nothing but problems with Apple's "Power Nap" functionality. I remember three discrete issues with my 2014 MBP (Quartz would randomly crash out of naps when connected to external displays, the topcase frequently felt mysteriously warm and my media controls would freak out forcing me to close spotify/firefox before closing it) Ironically, the only time I've seen it behaving as-intended was when I had my T460p running MacOS with photo analysis disabled. I'm guessing it's an ACPI issue, since Apple's track record with the technology is shaky.
    - wldlyinaccurate 5y ago
      I've had the opposite experience with Macbooks. WiFi randomly dropping out, battery dying overnight while the laptop is closed, external display settings not being persisted, randomly switching from my external microphone to the built-in one halfway through a call... Sometimes reading through these threads I feel like the only person in the world who has somehow had three faulty Macbooks in a row. I've now had three generations of XPS 13 with Ubuntu. They're not perfect (the battery drains over 3 or 4 days instead of overnight) but overall my experience has been much better.
    - marcosdumay 5y ago
      There are some people reporting problems with Macs on this thread... What is bad, because if there were one platform that would avoid this problem it would be Macs. But anyway, my phone does that once in a while too... Phones also shouldn't do it. It's not even a hard problem to solve. There is a single piece of code that wakes a device up, you just have to not call it everywhere. If you don't control all the code, just require some kind of permission, and don't go granting it to the team that writes the system updater.
  - laurent92 5y ago
    Should airplanes forbid PC laptops? It’s more serious than laptops committing suicide in bags. It’s, anything with a high-energy battery can short itself and cause a fire. Worse, it could be malware or hardware. At this point I am surprised the vulnerability hasn’t been used by anyone.
    - dragontamer 5y ago
      Airplanes have bags/boxes to throw li-ion batteries into and extinguish any particular fire. The law is that you can only bring aboard Li-ion batteries of size 100 watt-hrs or smaller on any airplane (https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/lithium-batteries-more-100-watt-hours https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/...). I think the airline crews are confident they can handle 100 watt-hours worth of burning, but no more than that!
      - drjasonharrison 5y ago
        You can't extinguish a lithium ion battery fire by smothering it. The fire creates its own oxygen. You can contain the fire, and you can immerse it in enough water that it cools below the burning temperature and shorts out through the water.
        dragontamer 5y ago
        https://youtu.be/oa_yao1DC1U https://youtu.be/oa_yao1DC1U https://youtu.be/LCFsmHLDuyg https://youtu.be/LCFsmHLDuyg I'm not sure if they are smothering the fire. The strategy seems like it's just a safe place to keep the fire until later. You won't have buckets and buckets of water on an airplane. You need a solution to safely contain the fire and keep the passengers safe.
  - oliv3r 5y ago
    but very easily fixed as written above :)
- switchbak 5y ago
  Same here on an XPS 15, damn thing was so hot I was worried about it catching fire.
- oliv3r 5y ago
  As I understood it, it's an ACPI configuration, more or less 'forced' by Microsoft, to ensure this cool new S0 is the default. See [0] [1] and [2]. The fix/work-around is to tell the kernel to not do that, and just use traditional S3 sleep. Adding `mem_sleep_default=deep` to your kernel cmdline should fix it. Been doing this on my XPS13 for 3 years now and it's fine. [0] https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199689 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199689 [1] https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS-13-9370-battery-drain-in-sleep-mode/td-p/6098095 https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/XPS-13-9370-battery-drain... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/8b6eci/xp_13_9370_battery_drain_while_suspended/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/8b6eci/xp_13_9370_bat...
  - MertsA 5y ago
    Dell has "fixed" that problem by disabling S3 sleep on certain laptops. Not even kidding, the ACPI tables don't have S3 sleep as an option and it's not even some matter of OSI string trickery either.
  - broknbottle 5y ago
    S3 is no longer available on newer XPS notebooks (e.g. 9310). S0ix works fine with Linux but I've found it typically requires tweaking and testing. dmesg | grep ACPI | grep supports [ 0.193967] ACPI: (supports S0 S4 S5) sudo cat /sys/power/mem_sleep [s2idle] https://01.org/blogs/qwang59/2018/how-achieve-s0ix-states-linux https://01.org/blogs/qwang59/2018/how-achieve-s0ix-states-li... https://01.org/blogs/rzhang/2015/best-practice-debug-linux-suspend/hibernate-issues https://01.org/blogs/rzhang/2015/best-practice-debug-linux-s...
- jokethrowaway 5y ago
  I used to disable all ACPI signals (keys and lid) for exactly this reason on my Macbook 2015 running linux. Not the most comfortable, as you have to manage sleep manually, but definitely the safest.
ayushnix 5y ago
Ah right, Linux, the platform where suspend and resume doesn't even work and hibernation is a mess. AMD https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-S2idle-Fix-Linux-5.15 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-S2id... s2idle is broken and I have an AMD thinkpad with deep sleep and even that doesn't suspend 80% of the time. Intel (search for 'deep' and 's2idle') https://community.frame.work/t/ubuntu-21-04-on-the-framework-laptop/2722/3 https://community.frame.work/t/ubuntu-21-04-on-the-framework... I already know the replies I might get but just wanted to get this out there. My laptop is now on 24x7 because I don't know if it will suspend or completely freeze.
- deleted 5y ago
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- Groxx 5y ago
  This has been my experience as well, with a fairly wide variety of nixes/bsds/etc and a half a dozen different machines. Now I just disable it completely and tell it to shut down when I close the lid, and wait like 15s. If the fans and lights don't stop "soon", I know it's having problems turning off. It's much better than the random freezes, or boiling alive in a backpack before draining all battery power.
- jokethrowaway 5y ago
  I never understood why I should be hibernating instead of suspending so I can't talk about that - but I haven't seen a laptop unable to suspend for years. That could be luck and not buying laptops with terrible linux support but I wouldn't paint the situation as this tragic. The experience out of the box is still crap because the ACPI signals from the hardware are often a complete mess - but disabling most of them generally works.
  - ayushnix 5y ago
    > and not buying laptops with terrible linux support but I wouldn't paint the situation as this tragic. Please tell me the name of a laptop which has excellent support for Linux. At this point, I'm ready to go out of my way to spend more money than I can afford if that gets me excellent Linux compatibility. I know, for a fact, that AMD based ThinkPads don't qualify. The Intel based FrameWork laptop has issues with suspend resume as well.

samstave 5y ago

"Not melting a hole" Ha! While not related to the bag issue, I had a 15" MBP literally catch fire in my bed while I was asleep. I fell asleep wat hing Netflix or some such and the macbook caught fire and woke me up. It was in the recall batch for batteries at that time. I took it to apple flagship SF store. They had the FN machine for two months then came back and said that at some point the moisture sensor went off and due to this reason they would not honor the battery recall or address the fact it caught on fire and the "apologized" for the potential "safety hazaard" They told me my option was to buy a new one, or take it to a 3ed party repair place and have it repaired for more than the machine was worth. I haven't bought another mac since, and I have switched from iPhones entirely, even though I have had an iPhone since day one.

dboreham 5y ago
Were you binge watching "Halt and Catch Fire"?
- samstave 5y ago
  Ironically, that was about the same time it came out...
withinboredom 5y ago
Did you say that water was the reason the fire didn’t spread? If so, I’d love to hear how they “proved” it got wet before the fire started.

bobbylarrybobby 5y ago

Forget the overheating — the fact that Macs will save all your work when shutting down, and will refuse to shut down if this is not possible (for instance if some app that doesn’t support autosave (MS office) has unsaved work, or if there are terminal jobs running). Can’t imagine how anyone tolerates their computer just obliterating their work.

oauea 5y ago
So just like Windows since... 7? Or something like that. I can guarantee you that a Mac will still shut down when its battery is empty. Unfortunately Apple hasn't yet cracked unlimited power.
- internet2000 5y ago
  Macs sleep on low battery, then hibernate RAM contents to disk when really really empty. You never lose data.
  - oauea 5y ago
    Right, so the same as Windows.
    - nikau 5y ago
      A common theme I've noticed with the most ardent mac fans is they haven't used a windows machine since windows 95 and seem to think osx has all these magic features windows users are missing out on. I use mac and windows daily, and they both have similar amounts of annoying niggling features.
      - siva7 5y ago
        I've used Windows in its most recent Version on a high-end Dell issued by my company and can confirm all reports here about losing data and overheating. The Macbook simply works out of box but i can't get the Windows Machine to work in a sane way without 50/50 chance of losing all battery or data after closing the lid...

davrosthedalek 5y ago

Be careful. My Macbook Pro cooked it's display twice. Some program made it not go to sleep when I closed the lid, I put it in my backpack, and it overheated the display so much that I had yellow-brownish spots (which followed gravity over time). No way to check if it's sleeping when the lid is closed, because reasons...

ganoushoreilly 5y ago
We have a few users that leave clamshell mode while working at home and the past year never opened their laptops. Same thing. Permanent heat stain on the display in the form of the keyboard. Granted that's more than just sleeping issues, but it's definitely something that happens.
TheSpiceIsLife 5y ago
I once had told Caffeine not to sleep my 2014 MBPr when the lid was shut and later put it in my backpack. Why the frak doesn’t the laptop have an over temp shutdown feature? iPhones so, trying leaving one in the sun for a bit.
- cooljacob204 5y ago
  Caffeine shouldn't prevent it from sleeping anymore anymore unless you have an HDMI plugged in it.
  - GekkePrutser 5y ago
    Yes and Macs have worked like that since the PPC days. Display closed + no external display connected = sleep. Removing said display will also make it sleep. I guess it's a bug or some monitoring service that crashed.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 5y ago
    Perhaps it was Amphetamine with the relevant setting to prevent sleep with built-in display closed.

toast0 5y ago

Just make sure you close Outlook before you close your lid. Not that Outlook is a good choice for mail, but corporations seem to like it, but at least in my experience, it somehow signals Mac OS to drain the battery.

BluePen8 5y ago

Same, I was in university and kept showing up to class with my Dell Inspiron having killed it's own battery in my bag regardless how carefully I put it into sleep/hibernate. Or I'd find it nearly dead and burning hot, fans spun up wildly, in the process of cooking it's own motherboard. It heat suicided itself through 2 motherboards during the 1 year warranty. I have my complaints about MacBooks, but at least I had a laptop I could count on being reliable and ready to work when I showed up to class every day. I couldn't trust the Dell, making it absolutely worthless.

radicalbyte 5y ago
The best thing with Dell is when you've shut it down properly, but it somehow finds a way to turn itself back on in your bag. Then when you get home your bag is 50c and battery dead.

mjaniczek 5y ago

One interesting tidbit is that Macbooks will (don't know since when) start booting up if you press any key after having shut the laptop down. That's a bummer when you want to go clean your keyboard and don't want the laptop running at the same time.

astockwell 5y ago
I believe this is just if it's sleeping with the lid open. If you go to Apple > Shut down... and let it complete, it will not turn back on unless you press the power button.
- Toutouxc 5y ago
  Nope, not anymore. This used to work for my 2013 MBP, but even if I completely shut down my M1, it will start booting upon any interaction. Opening the lid => starts booting. Pressing any key => starts booting. Clicking the trackpad => starts booting. Which is funny, because the trackpad doesn't physically click anymore, it just reacts to pressure, and only if it's a finger pressing on it (you can't click it with any object), and all that it still working when the computer is "shut down", i.e. you can't click the trackpad with a pen, but you can with your finger and it will turn the MacBook on.
code_duck 5y ago
Same issue here. 2020 Intel MBP, and when fully shutdown, pressing any key will turn it on. I would far prefer have a single, explicit power button. They even have one that seems as if it should be the power button (the touch ID sensor/key).

WD-42 5y ago

Doesn't Macos also do this? I think it's called "Power Nap" Difference is you can just turn it off... whereas in Windows it seems like it's a complete mess. I've been using Linux for the last 15 years. Had my fair share of issues with suspend. But at least once a laptop was in a state, it tended to stay there. Whether it would resume was another story :P

no1lives4ever 5y ago

Well my MBP 16 and before that my original 13" rMBP both did unscheduled wake ups and ending up super hot when being transported in my backpack. With the MBP 16, it took me a few days to detect the unscheduled wake ups, setup logging to now show private and then debug and fix the issue.

masto 5y ago

I have had multiple Mac laptops that were burning hot when I pulled them out of my bag. My iPhone also occasionally tries to melt my pocket. These are not issues that Apple is immune to.

broknbottle 5y ago
I never really experienced this kind of issue until I was given a corporate macbook by my current employer. I suspect this is due to all the "security" software that comes pre-installed by IT. The software is constantly a source of performance related issues, IO seems to be a big one as if it's constantly checking / scanning.

pfooti 5y ago

FWIW I had a similar behavior on my (work) MacBook pro for a while. I'd unplug it from my screen for the weekend and find it overheated with a dead battery. Turns out I kept bumping the Bluetooth mouse which kept waking it up, and it would stay awake for a while, even with the screen closed. Disabling the permission for Bluetooth devices to wake it fixed it, but I had a couple of Mondays where I couldn't do anything for a half hour while the machine charged up enough to boot.

test001only 5y ago

MacOS continues to connect with Wifi even when the lid is closed and it is suppose to be sleeping. Both Windows and MacOS does not honour the contract with the users.