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EFF Flew a Plane over Apple's Headquarters
- prox 5y agoGreat way to protest. If they go through I will never have any Apple product again, that’s for sure.
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- nbzs 5y agoI am already on traditional phone and my iPhone is used only for banking apps in adequate scenario. Moved my company away from macOS to ARCH. Personally I don't have to wait to see the results of an systemic marketing and pr over product people approach. Just read today Tim internal memo on The Verge. Quote: There was much to celebrate, from our remarkable new product line-up to our values driven work around climate change, racial equity, and privacy. Thanks. I am out of this.
- politelemon 5y agoI've mentioned in another comment as well, whether they go through or not isn't relevant nor will it make this problem actually disappear. The cat is already out of the bag (and has been) in terms of showing what giving up privacy to a closed company will do. If not today, then another day, another egregious action will occur. It's a story as old as time, yet we collectively never learn. By next time though, a carefully coordinated PR message may be part of the 'deployment'.
- tailspin2019 5y ago> The cat is already out of the bag (and has been) in terms of showing what giving up privacy to a closed company will do. If not today, then another day, another egregious action will occur. I think we differ in our thoughts about what should be done about this, but you’re not wrong here.
- maltalex 5y agotl;dr the plane displayed the message “Apple, don’t scan our phones!” There, saved you a click.
- nbzso 5y agoThanks. Such an unexciting topic. Right? Apple and privacy. Who cares? Nobody. What about MXX ultra-mega processors, they are life saving and worth reading million articles with rumors and speculations.
- teddyh 5y agoWhy EFF did this is to get journalists to get a story to write about the issue. Nobody involved cared whether anyone at Apple saw it.
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- FabHK 5y agoExactly, and for around $1000 they got good bang for the buck. A reasonable expense for lots of publicity about an important issue.
- blitzar 5y ago> EFF did this is to get journalists to get a story to write about the issue. Except exactly 0 articles were written outside of them writing an article about it themselves. Where is the 'lots of publicity'? They generate just as much when they write and article about anything in general.
- hoppyhoppy2 5y ago>Except exactly 0 articles were written outside of them writing an article about it themselves It was also covered by MacRumors: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/24/eff-apple-park-banner-csam-detection-protests/ https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/24/eff-apple-park-banner-c...
- blitzar 5y agoAhh finally found one! Btw that was published after it hit the front page here.
- WarOnPrivacy 5y agoSee? Story seeding in progress. This thread is welcomed to the media ecochain.
- blitzar 5y agoOh how far the once noble EFF have fallen. At least my donations are being used so they can have some fun doing shit tier youtube clickbait 'stunts'. I am looking forward to the 'its just a prank bro' series.
- anothernewdude 5y agoYeah, they should get back to raising awareness of electronic freedom issues.
- blitzar 5y agoOddly 'rasing awareness' doesnt appear in what they define as their role. The Electronic Frontier Foundation is the leading nonprofit organization defending civil liberties in the digital world. Founded in 1990, EFF champions user privacy, free expression, and innovation through impact litigation, policy analysis, grassroots activism, and technology development. EFF's mission is to ensure that technology supports freedom, justice, and innovation for all people of the world. I would rather see them fly in with a lawsuit on durring apples keynote than fly a plane overhead for a photo op.
- anothernewdude 5y agogiven the 0-days, it's not just apple scanning your phones
- vzaliva 5y agoI wonder how they got FAA permission to fly a private plane low over densly populated ara.
- webmobdev 5y agoI thought this type of advertising was quite common in the US?
- syshum 5y agoAuthoritarians are often surprised to find out that people do actually have some limited freedoms left in the US. When they see people exercising those freedoms they are often alarmed and quickly write their politicians to ensure those freedoms are curbed. the parent is clearly one of those authoritarians.
- _moof 5y agoMost people just have wildly incorrect ideas about flight because their only experience with it is the hellscape that is major airports. When that's all you've ever seen, it's natural not to understand that it's an extreme, not the mean.
- WarOnPrivacy 5y agoIt was, a few generations ago. That and blimps. I've seen little of either, over the last 20 years.
- _moof 5y agoIt's still somewhat common in coastal areas. Though I realize "common" leaves a lot of room for interpretation.
- mwint 5y agoThere’s surprisingly little regulation for GA aircraft. Curious what rule you think they were breaking?
- caslon 5y agoUnless the images are reversed, the writing would be backwards for anyone actually at the headquarters.
- _Microft 5y agoThe first image is not reversed but maybe it was taken exactly for the purpose of being publicized with the Apple building being visible in the background. https://www.google.de/maps/@37.3365725,-122.013226,437m/data=!3m1!1e3 https://www.google.de/maps/@37.3365725,-122.013226,437m/data...
- frankfrankfrank 5y agoAs stated, they probably made several approaches, some with the message facing the evil building, others for the documentation of the event in the images you see.
- WarOnPrivacy 5y agoGreat. Thinking about the building and now Cash's "Earning Ring of Hires" is my new head pest.
- amelius 5y agoThis is how Amazon workers should unionize.
- schleck8 5y agothey would have pinkerton shoot down the plane
- mvanbaak 5y ago'During Apple’s event, a plane circled the company’s headquarters carrying an impossible-to-miss message' They do know that: - The event was all pre-recorded - Nobody was there to see it. People were either at home or inside watching the keynote. They should have picked a better time to spend the money.
- tailspin2019 5y agoAs @teddyh pointed out: > Why EFF did this is to get journalists to get a story to write about the issue. Nobody involved cared whether anyone at Apple saw it.
- blitzar 5y agoCan you direct me to a single article about this? (no the link for this thread, from their own website does not count)
- hoppyhoppy2 5y agohttps://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/24/eff-apple-park-banner-csam-detection-protests/ https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/24/eff-apple-park-banner-c...
- blitzar 5y agoAhh finally found one! Btw that was published after it hit the front page here, turns out that HN has more PR power than the EFF.
- micromacrofoot 5y ago>turns out that HN has more PR power than the EFF ...what? the EFF is why this is on HN right now
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- tailspin2019 5y agoEvery time I read about what the EFF is doing I get the sense that their priorities are clear, they’re fighting a good fight and in my case they’re generally acting in line with the values/beliefs I hold around the areas they get involved with. It’s cool when you find an organisation whose actions line up with your view of the world like that, and appears to be pretty effective too. Someone else commented about the cost of this “stunt”, but I can’t see it costing a huge amount to pull off in the big scheme of things, and it does make for some excellent visuals which as someone else pointed out, may give some journalists a “hook” into the story. I don’t donate much (monthly recurring) but I’m pretty happy with what I see coming out of the EFF and am happy to support them. By the way, if anyone is on the fence about donating, check out their site as you can get some “cool”[1] EFF swag in return for your donation too: https://supporters.eff.org/donate/ https://supporters.eff.org/donate/ [1] No guarantees implied or given about how “cool” others will think your swag actually is.
- politelemon 5y agoI've taken the opposite view ever since EFF has started wasting time on protests, appeals and letters on this specific issue. Instead of treating this company with the same scrutiny it treats other companies with (point out what's wrong, offer alternatives, chase legislation) it's instead spending time on these stunts as someone called it. At this point, the cat is out of the bag, and has been out of the bag for several years, it's just hitting 'close to home' now. Withdrawals and delays that are effected as a result of these will not make any difference. This isn't a good fight but a form of denial and while I've been a regular supporter of theirs for several years, I now question where their priorities lie.
- tailspin2019 5y agoI’ve seen the word “stunts” (plural) used a few times in the comments but what other things has the EFF done recently that would qualify as a stunt? This particular thing was very clearly and deliberately a “stunt” but to me it feels more like the exception than the norm for the sort of thing EFF typically does? Admittedly I’m fairly new to EFF so have only really been paying attention to them for a year or two.
- globular-toast 5y agoOff topic, but that HQ building genuinely looks like something from a dystopian sci-fi film.
- axiosgunnar 5y agoSo this is where my donation dollars go? To burn fossil fuel for a photo where Photoshop would suffice?
- MMS21 5y agoPlanes make up a small percentage of fossil fuel emissions, in fact, rice production is closely behind it in pollution statistics.
- Doctor_Fegg 5y agoThat's the same argument as "we don't need to bother about our own consumption because China has coal-fired power stations".
- frankfrankfrank 5y agoThat is a very myopic perspective. You are using a computer and internet that uses electricity that is produced using fossil fuels and all its components are produced directly of fossil fuels/oil and/or only able to be extracted from the earth by the use of fossil fuels. You live in a house/home that was produced by the use of fossil fuels. Likely every single thing all around you wherever you are right this second is made of or with fossil fuels. Plastics, the building, soaps, lotions, the table and chair, the lamps and lightbulbs, the cables, the microwave and oven/stove, the carpet/flooring, your clothing, any makeup you use, the toilet paper, deodorant, all your food (even produce), the packaging of your food, the preservatives that are used to feed you in your city that is so far away from food sources, … and on and on and on. … ALL use and made with fossil fuels.
- gootler 5y agoCommies, all of them
- UltraViolence 5y agoThe only thing that will prevent Apple from introducing on-device scanning is people voting with their feet. Nothing else will persuade them to stop this madness.